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Post by Nemesis on Dec 3, 2017 22:48:34 GMT
So. David (Simmsey), Elliot and I are walking again, this time joined by Dean Woolley. It will be 3 years since we walked 110 miles in 3.5 days for Amy Usher, raising 35K in total. (Thanks again for the wonderful support last time) This time we are walking from the Sheffield Arena, to the SSE arena in Belfast. We will be splitting the money between Western Park Teenage Cancer (For Amy), and young Blake the Giants fan. Blake desperately needs a new wheel chair, and we hope to raise enough money to help with the huge cost. The walk will be in Feb, to arrive for the Steelers V Giants game on the 24th. We won't stay the game though, once we have said hello to everyone we will need to get straight back on the ferry so we can get back for the Steelers supporters club annual sponsored walk Sunday morning, and then to work the Steelers game that night. Please donate here. www.gofundme.com/simmsey-and-friends-again>>CLICKY<<Let's help young Blake get the new chair he needs. Thanks all, really appreciate it. And if anyone wants to push the link put around your social media/club forums, please do! Thanks. Nem. :smile: Please move if needed Mods. Thanks.
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 3, 2017 22:57:06 GMT
It's a shame Simms is involved.
Regardless of the charity, I can't give my support to anything that nasty little homophobe is involved in, and I doubt I'll be alone in this view.
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Post by iginla on Dec 3, 2017 23:13:48 GMT
I thought Simmsey had started walking today ! 😂
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Post by Nemesis on Dec 3, 2017 23:24:04 GMT
He made it in the end.
I'm sorry you feel that way TooToo. But if he wasn't, 3 nobodies like El, Deano and I wouldn't get the PR or raise anywhere near as much.
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 3, 2017 23:44:51 GMT
He made it in the end. I'm sorry you feel that way TooToo. But if he wasn't, 3 nobodies like El, Deano and I wouldn't get the PR or raise anywhere near as much. So you're saying his bigoted opinions are a good thing? I wonder if Weston Park Hospital are aware of his less than savoury past? Hospitals have refused donations for far less contentious reasons than them being raised by an unrepentant homophobe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 0:11:15 GMT
He made it in the end. I'm sorry you feel that way TooToo. But if he wasn't, 3 nobodies like El, Deano and I wouldn't get the PR or raise anywhere near as much. You'll get PR through clubs official twitter/pages. Speak to Chris Ellis and Seth Bennett, I'm sure they'd be able to do something for you with the BBC but I can tell you now you'll raise more without Simmsey than you will with him. You don't need him. It's a shame because ultimately the ones out of pocket will be the two very good causes but he has wronged way too many people that it's unavoidable if he is taking part. Still wish you the best of luck!!!!
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Post by Yotes on Dec 4, 2017 0:16:53 GMT
Good luck Nem.
Raise a bit of money for 2 good causes and subject Simms to physical pain, seems a good idea to me.
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 4, 2017 7:52:44 GMT
He made it in the end. I'm sorry you feel that way TooToo. But if he wasn't, 3 nobodies like El, Deano and I wouldn't get the PR or raise anywhere near as much. I think you underestimate yourselves... after all, the Rink Rush guys were "nobodies" and they did pretty well... Good luck to you three.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Dec 4, 2017 8:08:46 GMT
I wish you all the best Nemesis , but within the hockey world I would suggest you don't need a vile homophobe to tag along for the publicity - you would get wholehearted support from the hockey community- dare I say some people would be more likely to support your cause if he wasn't involved.
Outside the hockey world, I work with clients in the Sheffield area - they have heard of the Steelers, never heard of Simms. That appauling individual is only a legend in his own thick head.
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Post by Pies on Dec 4, 2017 8:13:09 GMT
Look, I’m all for a bashing session but let’s not get away from the cause Nemesis is trying to promote here. At the end of the day, this is about a young lad who needs a wheelchair. This isn’t me saying that his behaviour has been okay in the past because it wasn’t but Blake isn’t responsible for that nor should he be punished for it. If you can donate - great. If you can’t or don’t want to, that’s also fine but let’s look at the bigger picture here and not possibly prevent vital funds the others are raising be put at risk because of one person.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 8:54:54 GMT
It's a shame Simms is involved. Regardless of the charity, I can't give my support to anything that nasty little homophobe is involved in, and I doubt I'll be alone in this view. Ditto, sorry.
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 4, 2017 10:08:41 GMT
Look, I’m all for a bashing session but let’s not get away from the cause Nemesis is trying to promote here. At the end of the day, this is about a young lad who needs a wheelchair. This isn’t me saying that his behaviour has been okay in the past because it wasn’t but Blake isn’t responsible for that nor should he be punished for it. If you can donate - great. If you can’t or don’t want to, that’s also fine but let’s look at the bigger picture here and not possibly prevent vital funds the others are raising be put at risk because of one person. Unfortunately they seem quite happy to advertise the fact that Simms is involved (indeed 'Nemesis' even thinks it's a bonus), so the risk of any potential funds being lost is purely of their making. Simms' behaviour cannot and should not be ignored just because he occasionally does a bit of charity work. In fact, when Simms made his most odious remarks, some of his apologists specifically tried to use "but he does charity work" as some sort of feeble excuse to ignore his homophobic comments. Let's not forget, Saville did a lot of charity work too... I for one strenuously recommend 'Nemesis' et al drop Simms, before his association with this endeavour becomes more a burden than a perceived advantage. I'm sure that I'm not alone in my feelings over Dave Simms' past conduct and it would be most unfortunate if, despite the hard work of others, Weston Park Hospital had to turn down a donation due to such conduct being brought to light. They are perfectly capable of raising money without needing a seemingly unrepentant homophobe tagging along. As such, any negative effect having Simms involved may have is purely of their making.
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Post by malsbloke on Dec 4, 2017 12:18:39 GMT
Terrific causes Nem . I for one hope you raise a ton of cash . If you could get Mr Simms to do the walk between the coasts that would be grand ;-) . Im sure he would be able to do the distance ... Donation made - good luck
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Post by Adam on Dec 4, 2017 14:18:53 GMT
It's a shame Simms is involved. Regardless of the charity, I can't give my support to anything that nasty little homophobe is involved in, and I doubt I'll be alone in this view. Agreed. Elliot is a bit of an idiot on twitter too to say he's meant to be 'back room' staff!
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Post by iginla on Dec 4, 2017 14:44:13 GMT
As you haven’t yet decided on the route to Liverpool,might i suggest the M62 would be a good one for Simmsey !
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Post by Nemesis on Dec 4, 2017 14:48:28 GMT
Thank you for all the comments. Appreciate you all taking to time to post. :-)
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Post by malsbloke on Dec 4, 2017 15:58:01 GMT
Perhaps if we could look beyond the D.S. B.S. and focus on the causes ? Give what you can if you can . Come on folks its nearly Christmas ............
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 4, 2017 16:07:05 GMT
Can we sponsor Slimmsy to swim across the Irish Sea at the same time - I will provide the sharks and give a donation as well
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Post by pingchowchi on Dec 4, 2017 16:43:49 GMT
I just can't bring myself to give money to anything that he is directly involved in. There are other good causes looking for money this Christmas that I will give to.
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 4, 2017 17:38:23 GMT
Perhaps if we could look beyond the D.S. B.S. and focus on the causes ? Give what you can if you can . Come on folks its nearly Christmas ............ You can't just pretend it isn't an issue. Dave Simms made very public homophobic remarks, those remarks gained international notorierty and, as of yet, all he has done is allow the team that still employs him to put out a statement about him "working with" a fictitious LGBT organisation. He does not need to be involved in this charity event, but choosing to include him in it risks any funds raised being declined due to his association. He has made a lot of enemies over the years, any one of them making Weston Park Hospital aware of his past could make things very difficult for them. The NHS is an organisation that is constantly under the media spotlight and it has to be very careful who it accepts charitable donations from. As a member of the NHS LGBT+ network I have expressed my concerns, if Neil and Co choose to ignore such concerns then that is unfortunate. They may place Weston Park Hospital in a difficult position, both unable to accept funds raised and at the mercy of those who would use such a refusal as ammunition to attack the NHS further.
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Post by malsbloke on Dec 5, 2017 11:06:29 GMT
Please trust me when i tell you that i am NO fan of the odious estate agent . Over the years i have watched hockey the guy has used slanderous , vile language time and again which would have got most employees sacked . Whilst i agree with all you point out i`m afraid all i see is a kid , an innocent that needs a bit of help . So i`m sorry if that is not to your liking but i choose to help a kid ,not ignore his plight because of a d*ck who is part of the fundraising crew . On that basis nothing much would be raised by some of those who grandstand for the BIG national charity events who have questionable views yet the public donate ( DESPITE those views ? ) for the recipients . It definitely IS an issue which needs sorting no doubt , but is in my view trumped by needs of a kiddy .
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 5, 2017 13:59:36 GMT
Whilst i agree with all you point out i`m afraid all i see is a kid , an innocent that needs a bit of help. So i`m sorry if that is not to your liking but i choose to help a kid ,not ignore his plight because of a d*ck who is part of the fundraising crew... Then give your money directly to Blake, if it's just money being raised for him that you care about. On this point you are very much wrong. You may have noticed that throughout my comments on this thread I've largely mentioned Weston Park Hospital, not Blake. Blake (or more specifically his parents) are free to receive donations from any source they are comfortable with, because they are not an NHS organisation. My concern is not with Blake receiving funds but with Weston Park Hospital being unable to, due to the previous of Dave Simms. Post-Yewtree NHS organisations have become acutely aware that they need to be careful of who and where they receive charitable donations from because, as I'm sure may are aware, Saville did a great deal of work for charity and said fund raising placed him into position where he could indulge in his other interests. Now I'm not saying Dave Simms is the same as Jimmy Saville. What I'm saying (and have said multiple times in this thread) is that the views he has expressed, very publicly, are not compatible with the core beliefs the NHS operates under. I'm sure, despite the concerns that I and others have expressed about Dave Simms' involvement in this that a large amount of money will still be raised and Blake will get his share. The issue is the other intended recipient, or more specifically their ability to accept it. His involvement places Weston Park Hospital in a two-fold predicament. Accept the money and potentially come under fire due to Simms' history, or decline the money and come under fire from likely the same people, who would use a refusal as a vehicle to attack the NHS as a whole. If your primary concern is Blake then, as I said at the start, give your money directly to him. Indeed, encourage all your friends etc to give to him directly. Surely that would be the far better course of action given your own feeling towards Dave Simms? Cut out the middle man and deny him a cloak of respectability with which to try and hide his many misdeeds.
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Post by malsbloke on Dec 5, 2017 14:24:50 GMT
It is a real shame that an effort to raise money for more than one good cause has become such a problem for the whole NHS because of one individual who is taking part - who for the record I DO NOT IN ANY WAY SUPPORT . Sorry if i cannot be any clearer. I have already sent a donation to those raising funds for these kids . I will support good causes in my way and let the politics be sorted by those responsible for the administration of those charitable organisations .
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 5, 2017 15:18:45 GMT
It is a real shame that an effort to raise money for more than one good cause has become such a problem for the whole NHS because of one individual who is taking part... It's not an issue for the whole of the NHS, it's a potential issue for the specific part they're trying to raise money for. Donations have been refused for far lesser reasons than one of those collecting the money being an unrepentant homophobe of international noterierty. As a member of the NHS LGBT+ Network I'll be doing all I can to protect fellow healthcare professionals at Weston Park Hospital from being drawn into a potential controversy, which may arise as a result of having dealings with Dave Simms.
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Post by malsbloke on Dec 5, 2017 15:34:37 GMT
All power to you tootootrain . Hopefully all monies raised still go where intended .
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