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Post by Pies on Nov 15, 2017 3:38:38 GMT
I think people need to understand one thing about he EIHL board. Just because Tony Smith is chairman, doesn’t mean he has any more say in these decisions than any other GM. Each member has a vote and if 7 had voted against it, regardless of TS view, it doesn’t go through. However, anything like this should have been decided for pre season and explained at the time. On that I absolutely agree on I think the majority of fans will be aware of that, but the optics aren't good. While TS is chairman of the league he'll always have that stigma of being biased towards the steelers especially when dubious decisions are made which turn out to benefit the steelers. It also just looks amateurish from the outside looking in as this sort of disorganisation could cloud all the improvement that is happening on ice in the EIHL. This season alone we've had the farce of DOPS and now this Firstly, everyone has assumed that Tony Smith put this idea forward. Has anyone got an evidence to this? Secondly, did Tony Smith vote for this? Once again, any evidence? He is a chairman. He literally chairs the meeting assuring the agenda items are followed. He cannot over rule, change or make decisions without a majority backing. So let’s bash the other 11 too. I am no Shefffield lover but I think this whole making him a scape goat is silly. Who says this isn’t GM’s idea. Or Todd Kelman? My point is, as chairman he has no extra say in any of this. Other GMs may have bought this to the table, all voted against him and it’s gone through. Everyone’s just so quick to say “it’s a farce under him” but he can’t stop these things going through if the others bote
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Post by pingchowchi on Nov 15, 2017 9:18:01 GMT
I like this rule, but it is madness that it was not decided at the start of competition. Of course people are going to speculate that the people pushing it through would be the ones that benifit directly from them.
I guess the Steelers can now decide if they opt for a 'smaller' team or a bigger draw depending on the availability of their arena.
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Post by pantherlee on Nov 15, 2017 9:44:27 GMT
I think the majority of fans will be aware of that, but the optics aren't good. While TS is chairman of the league he'll always have that stigma of being biased towards the steelers especially when dubious decisions are made which turn out to benefit the steelers. It also just looks amateurish from the outside looking in as this sort of disorganisation could cloud all the improvement that is happening on ice in the EIHL. This season alone we've had the farce of DOPS and now this Firstly, everyone has assumed that Tony Smith put this idea forward. Has anyone got an evidence to this? Secondly, did Tony Smith vote for this? Once again, any evidence? He is a chairman. He literally chairs the meeting assuring the agenda items are followed. He cannot over rule, change or make decisions without a majority backing. So let’s bash the other 11 too. I am no Shefffield lover but I think this whole making him a scape goat is silly. Who says this isn’t GM’s idea. Or Todd Kelman? My point is, as chairman he has no extra say in any of this. Other GMs may have bought this to the table, all voted against him and it’s gone through. Everyone’s just so quick to say “it’s a farce under him” but he can’t stop these things going through if the others bote I never said this was all Tony Smith. I don't know who decided any of this. All i'm pointing out is that this conflict of interest will always crop up and be spoken about when strange decisions are made like this which just happen to benefit steelers, and regardless of who agreed to it, it looks bad from the outside looking in when you change the format of a competition halfway though it. What over governing body in pro ice hockey or any sport for matter does that.
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Post by brodeurfan1993 on Nov 15, 2017 9:46:15 GMT
Sorry but Steelers with first choice of opponent.....................I think it's pretty safe to say that this late change just facilitated more Steelers v Panthers fixtures....
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Post by iginla on Nov 15, 2017 9:56:07 GMT
Sorry but Steelers with first choice of opponent.....................I think it's pretty safe to say that this late change just facilitated more Steelers v Panthers fixtures.... If Steelers do pick Panthers...I for one won't be at either game. Time for fans to make a stand if it happens !
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Post by Pies on Nov 15, 2017 10:46:45 GMT
Firstly, everyone has assumed that Tony Smith put this idea forward. Has anyone got an evidence to this? Secondly, did Tony Smith vote for this? Once again, any evidence? He is a chairman. He literally chairs the meeting assuring the agenda items are followed. He cannot over rule, change or make decisions without a majority backing. So let’s bash the other 11 too. I am no Shefffield lover but I think this whole making him a scape goat is silly. Who says this isn’t GM’s idea. Or Todd Kelman? My point is, as chairman he has no extra say in any of this. Other GMs may have bought this to the table, all voted against him and it’s gone through. Everyone’s just so quick to say “it’s a farce under him” but he can’t stop these things going through if the others bote I never said this was all Tony Smith. I don't know who decided any of this. All i'm pointing out is that this conflict of interest will always crop up and be spoken about when strange decisions are made like this which just happen to benefit steelers, and regardless of who agreed to it, it looks bad from the outside looking in when you change the format of a competition halfway though it. What over governing body in pro ice hockey or any sport for matter does that. And all I’m saying is this conflict of interest doesn’t exsist! Do you really think Neil Black, Gary Moran, Todd Kelman, Steve King etc would all let the Sheffield Steelers run the league to solely benefit them. I’m all for a conspiracy but the people who create these illusions of a corrupt board are actually the fans on forums who say stuff like this. When has anyone with any actual insight into the Elite League ever come out and said that’s what happens? No one because it doesn’t exsist, it never has exsisted and it almost becomes that the conspiracy theory has become the gospel truth rather than someone actually looking at the he bigger picture.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 15, 2017 10:51:38 GMT
If Steelers do pick Panthers...I for one won't be at either game. Won't happen though, CC is a decent chance for the Yorks to win something and keep Simms' bestie in a job next year.
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Post by pantherlee on Nov 15, 2017 11:14:32 GMT
I never said this was all Tony Smith. I don't know who decided any of this. All i'm pointing out is that this conflict of interest will always crop up and be spoken about when strange decisions are made like this which just happen to benefit steelers, and regardless of who agreed to it, it looks bad from the outside looking in when you change the format of a competition halfway though it. What over governing body in pro ice hockey or any sport for matter does that. And all I’m saying is this conflict of interest doesn’t exsist! Do you really think Neil Black, Gary Moran, Todd Kelman, Steve King etc would all let the Sheffield Steelers run the league to solely benefit them. I’m all for a conspiracy but the people who create these illusions of a corrupt board are actually the fans on forums who say stuff like this. When has anyone with any actual insight into the Elite League ever come out and said that’s what happens? No one because it doesn’t exsist, it never has exsisted and it almost becomes that the conspiracy theory has become the gospel truth rather than someone actually looking at the he bigger picture. Really, just because he doesn't get to do whatever he wants to help the steelers, which i'm not saying he is thats how you put it. He may not be corrupt and genuinely wants whats best for the league but you can't tell me has a completely clean slate. Remember the situation in Belfast with the match cancellation due to the one direction concert where he came out and said that the Steelers should be given two points for it.
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Post by Pies on Nov 15, 2017 12:20:49 GMT
And all I’m saying is this conflict of interest doesn’t exsist! Do you really think Neil Black, Gary Moran, Todd Kelman, Steve King etc would all let the Sheffield Steelers run the league to solely benefit them. I’m all for a conspiracy but the people who create these illusions of a corrupt board are actually the fans on forums who say stuff like this. When has anyone with any actual insight into the Elite League ever come out and said that’s what happens? No one because it doesn’t exsist, it never has exsisted and it almost becomes that the conspiracy theory has become the gospel truth rather than someone actually looking at the he bigger picture. Really, just because he doesn't get to do whatever he wants to help the steelers, which i'm not saying he is thats how you put it. He may not be corrupt and genuinely wants whats best for the league but you can't tell me has a completely clean slate. Remember the situation in Belfast with the match cancellation due to the one direction concert where he came out and said that the Steelers should be given two points for it. Name me one incident Tony Smith is responsible for and I’ll back down. Asking for 2 points, that by the way they didn’t get, when a game gets booted off at late notice doesn’t dirty someone - 100 percent our fans would have been kicking off the other way. That was Tony Smith, the owner, looking out for his team. Just because he’s Chairman doesn’t mean he won’t be entitled to say his opinion. I am just failing to see any evidence you can offer that he’s done anything detrimental to the league and had sole responsibility for.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Nov 15, 2017 12:33:19 GMT
No matter what happens in the remaining games we are playing the Devils in the QF, nobody will want to play either of us. It does add some importance to our game against Manchester now, in that if we win that game we will ensure 4th seed and will be able to have the second leg at home which is always an advantage imo. Unless we are picked by one of the top 3 seeds, then they get home advantage - as for the "conspiracy theory" I agree this is probably not entirely due to Tony, but the main bone of contention is that the rules are being changed half way through the competition. The three conference groups was a mistake, caused by the league being threatened, it now leaves all the other competitions liable to change at a whim.
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Post by Discoray on Nov 15, 2017 16:23:44 GMT
Like most, not really bothered with the format, but very bother at how (once again) it’s been implemented.
Quote from the Tony Smith Questions thread on SteelTalk, it’s from one of the mods is handling the questions and is in correspondence with Tony Smith:
“He is basically running out of time every day with day to day club matters as well as his role as EIHL Chairman, I have agreed to help by listing them.”
So that sounds like a bit more work than “literally” chairing a meeting. Let’s also not forget though for some balance, it hasn’t just been Sheffield that has benefited from such antics. Belfast & Hull got the thumbs up to do a one-off game instead of 2 legs. Sheffield lost their home advantage in the Cup Final a few years ago to the Panthers despite being the higher seed. (Which the Panthers won.)
Then there was the cheeky attempt to change the QF Format last season in a PR the week before the games were to take place, and all the years in the QF when the correct home advantages haven’t been honoured in all instances. When I did the research a year ago, I checked the top 2 tiers for most leagues in Western Europe for 3 seasons, and only the EIHL didn’t give home advantage to all higher seeds as they were supposed to get, and even the now defunct EPIHL managed to at least get that right!
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Post by iginla on Nov 15, 2017 16:30:19 GMT
It could also be viewed as another way of trying to help get a small team into a semi/final. Same as bumping up the old Scottish conference winners to number 2 seed in the play offs !
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Post by pingchowchi on Nov 15, 2017 16:30:37 GMT
I suspect most of the time who gets the home advantage in QF relates to the availability of the arenas at relatively short notice.
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Post by spik on Nov 15, 2017 22:07:43 GMT
Poor organisation. I don't like the idea as well as the timeing. Draw from a bag.Maybe group winner versus a bag of 4 to 8. Then another versus same etc...leaving the final two. It's because of the handling of the league/cup/PO I've decided to withdraw from games as well as the fact that Nottingham hold their fans at arms length.I'll pick and choose matches and travel to away games.
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Post by grumpy on Nov 16, 2017 19:25:55 GMT
Not really interested in the debate about Tony Smith and his evil schemes for world domination but the format and the timing of its announcement are typically cack -handed. The situation has been known since the three conference system was agreed so why not agree the process for deciding the quarter finalists at the same time? As spik suggests, drawing the names out of a hat would seem a pretty obvious mechanism - it worked pretty well in The FA Cup for more than a century, until the Premier League teams lost interest, and it does give the smaller teams a better chance of reaching the later stages of the competition - surely a good thing for the health of the league?
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Post by spik on Nov 16, 2017 23:08:04 GMT
to add.... either it be money orintated if you pick a big clun OR sen as an easy ride picking a bottom placed club (how big headed that is - can't wait to see the smaller club win)it's just last minute ameterism.The smaller club may like thr gate money income as a side issue but what of the lost draw excitement even if you have to pit 1 v last 4 seeds and 2 v last 3 seeds etc...?
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Post by John Casey on Nov 20, 2017 10:34:30 GMT
With Tony Smith saying that he'd like Sheffield to host The Continental Cup Super Final, I'm starting to think that The Steelers will pick The Panthers.
Hosting a stage is not cheap from what I recall and there is no guarantee that ticket sales will cover it therefore they will need all the extra income they can get.
Also there is the chance that The Panthers and/or Steelers will make it through to The Semis or Final
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Post by iginla on Nov 23, 2017 13:43:50 GMT
Who picked who then ? It's all gone very quiet at the moment. The match ups were supposed to be being finalised at the EIHL meeting two days ago on the 28th !
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Post by mattscold on Nov 23, 2017 16:08:36 GMT
Who picked who then ? It's all gone very quiet at the moment. The match ups were supposed to be being finalised at the EIHL meeting two days ago on the 28th ! Unless you've got a Flux Capacitor you may want to hang fire a few days. We haven't played our final group stage game yet.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 23, 2017 16:25:25 GMT
...two days ago on the 28th ! Unless you've got a Flux Capacitor... Seeing as it's the 23rd, clearly he has.
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Post by iginla on Nov 23, 2017 17:55:42 GMT
Unless you've got a Flux Capacitor... Seeing as it's the 23rd, clearly he has. Oh yeah Ooops,looked at the wrong calendar week. My humble apologies. 🙄
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Post by pingchowchi on Nov 28, 2017 13:12:41 GMT
Us v MK then
Shuff v Stars
Fife v Belfast
Flames v Blaze
I believe
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Post by wgray on Nov 28, 2017 13:14:38 GMT
Us v MK then Shuff v Stars Fife v Belfast Flames v Blaze I believe Flames vs Devils Looks like MK have gone for the payday, we took a lot of fans there last time, that’s the only reason I can think for them to pick us...
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Post by Pies on Nov 28, 2017 13:14:46 GMT
Us v MK then Shuff v Stars Fife v Belfast Flames v Blaze I believe Flames vs Devils
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Post by BigLad on Nov 28, 2017 13:21:06 GMT
Us v MK then Shuff v Stars Fife v Belfast Flames v Blaze I believe Flames vs Devils Looks like MK have gone for the payday, we took a lot of fans there last time, that’s the only reason I can think for them to pick us... Not too bad a journey either - as opposed to travelling to Scotland and back.
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