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Post by tootootrain on Apr 29, 2017 18:33:46 GMT
I don't think that the panthers and the EIHL make enough chatter over in a America/Canada for us to have such a reputation over there.. You'd be surprised. I was in a hockey store last November, near where my family come from in Michigan. Whilst I waited for my skates to be grinded I was chatting to one of the guys in the shop about the EIHL, which he had heard about due to a few regular customers being AHL/ECHL level players who'd had bad experiences over here. When we talked about Nottingham in particular he asked "is that the team that has a guy called Moron or something working for them?" The world of AHL/ECHL players is far tighter knitted than many realise and as it's a pool of players EIHL teams often dip into it's no surprise news spreads.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 29, 2017 19:18:54 GMT
When we talked about Nottingham in particular he asked "is that the team that has a guy called Moron or something working for them?" I assume you didn't correct him?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 29, 2017 19:29:53 GMT
When we talked about Nottingham in particular he asked "is that the team that has a guy called Moron or something working for them?" I assume you didn't correct him? Correct?
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Post by iginla on Apr 29, 2017 20:00:50 GMT
First thing any prospective new player is going to do if he gets an offer is look up current/past rosters and ask questions of people he knows,what the league,arena,team, coach and management are like before he signs. Would anybody take any job in another country and even move their family without doing plenty of homework ? You would have to be pretty dumb not to.
Of course the grapevine works good and bad,it's a small world in hockey,somebody always knows somebody,so if teams or team staff get a bad rep then players aren't coming !
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Post by EMB on Apr 29, 2017 20:21:45 GMT
Can't see McGrattan encouraging any more players either after his stint here, especially after his alledged run ins with GM.
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 29, 2017 20:37:26 GMT
Can't see McGrattan encouraging any more players either after his stint here, especially after his alledged run ins with GM. Even though he's publicly endorsed on radio interviews for other players to make the move
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Post by iginla on Apr 29, 2017 20:50:22 GMT
Can't see McGrattan encouraging any more players either after his stint here, especially after his alledged run ins with GM. Even though he's publicly endorsed on radio interviews for other players to make the move What he says publicly and privately are probably very different. He's hardly going to say on a radio interview,that it was good,but the coach was an arrogant git and the GM was a total arse ! What he actually said though,was "that it was good for guys in the twilight of their career".....we don't want those guys.
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 29, 2017 21:16:05 GMT
Even though he's publicly endorsed on radio interviews for other players to make the move What he says publicly and privately are probably very different. He's hardly going to say on a radio interview,that it was good,but the coach was an arrogant git and the GM was a total hairy bum ! What he actually said though,was "that it was good for guys in the twilight of their career".....we don't want those guys. He could just say nothing, plus no-one will make a move to EIHL if they think they still have a shot at the NHL. I'm not defending GM or CN or fighting their corner i just find it hard to believe that there is a widespread "Don't join panthers" reputation in America. GM can't be the only tool out there in senior management of a club
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 29, 2017 22:16:29 GMT
What he says publicly and privately are probably very different. He's hardly going to say on a radio interview,that it was good,but the coach was an arrogant git and the GM was a total hairy bum ! What he actually said though,was "that it was good for guys in the twilight of their career".....we don't want those guys. He could just say nothing, plus no-one will make a move to EIHL if they think they still have a shot at the NHL. I'm not defending GM or CN or fighting their corner i just find it hard to believe that there is a widespread "Don't join panthers" reputation in America. GM can't be the only tool out there in senior management of a club Probably not the only tool. But I can't imagine that Cardiff or Belfast will have those issues.
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Post by Shorty on Apr 29, 2017 23:02:15 GMT
First thing any prospective new player is going to do if he gets an offer is look up current/past rosters and ask questions of people he knows,what the league,arena,team, coach and management are like before he signs. Would anybody take any job in another country and even move their family without doing plenty of homework ? You would have to be pretty dumb not to. Of course the grapevine works good and bad,it's a small world in hockey,somebody always knows somebody,so if teams or team staff get a bad rep then players aren't coming ! If you think that good players wont come because of Moran and Neilson (despite you saying that we should just pay more and players will come), why on earth have you renewed your season tickets, as those two are not going anywhere soon?
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Post by iginla on Apr 29, 2017 23:33:04 GMT
First thing any prospective new player is going to do if he gets an offer is look up current/past rosters and ask questions of people he knows,what the league,arena,team, coach and management are like before he signs. Would anybody take any job in another country and even move their family without doing plenty of homework ? You would have to be pretty dumb not to. Of course the grapevine works good and bad,it's a small world in hockey,somebody always knows somebody,so if teams or team staff get a bad rep then players aren't coming ! If you think that good players wont come because of Moran and Neilson (despite you saying that we should just pay more and players will come), why on earth have you renewed your season tickets, as those two are not going anywhere soon? One more year for me and if it's garbage again next season that's me finished with a season ticket. Moran isn't going anywhere no,but I wouldn't put your house on Neilson keeping his job if we have a bad first three or four months ! 😉
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Post by shinobi on Apr 30, 2017 9:17:20 GMT
I hope you lot ain't expecting a expensive looking roster because you ll be disappointed otherwise . All these ST getting renewed now lol I'm glad Williams has said what he has. Shame more players don't speak out against the idiot. I can see panthers finishing about 7th/8th next year Maybe, but what do you care when in your own words, you don't attend anymore?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 9:29:05 GMT
I hope you lot ain't expecting a expensive looking roster because you ll be disappointed otherwise . All these ST getting renewed now lol I'm glad Williams has said what he has. Shame more players don't speak out against the idiot. I can see panthers finishing about 7th/8th next year Maybe, but what do you care when in your own words, you don't attend anymore? Not attending and not getting a ST are completely different just to put you straight! I ll pick an choose next year . It's the safe option with panthers these days. I ll have a idea what sort of season they ll have in July
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Post by simonhunt on Apr 30, 2017 10:10:10 GMT
What did Williams say
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Post by tootootrain on Apr 30, 2017 10:37:56 GMT
Words to the effect of "Moran and Neilson aren't very good people to work with". When you've spent time at as many hockey clubs as Williams has that carries some weight.
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Post by Ghost on Apr 30, 2017 10:52:21 GMT
Words to the effect of "Moran and Neilson aren't very good people to work with". When you've spent time at as many hockey clubs as Williams has that carries some weight. Where did he say that?
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Post by iginla on Apr 30, 2017 10:59:07 GMT
Words to the effect of "Moran and Neilson aren't very good people to work with". When you've spent time at as many hockey clubs as Williams has that carries some weight. Where did he say that? To a Panthers fan at POFW when asked if he was coming back. "I wouldn't come back and play for that ******* coach again in a million ******* years"!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 13:20:54 GMT
I'm surprised more players don't speak up against these two clowns
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Post by Ghost on Apr 30, 2017 13:41:21 GMT
To a Panthers fan at POFW when asked if he was coming back. "I wouldn't come back and play for that ******* coach again in a million ******* years"! Sounds credible.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 30, 2017 14:02:53 GMT
Personality clashes happen everywhere. One or even ten players not liking Neilson in the eight years he's been with us is hardly shocking. I've had mangers who I'd go through a brick wall for and others who I'd walk past if they were on fire.
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Post by PantherB on Apr 30, 2017 16:35:32 GMT
Wouldn't say Williams was anything particularly special anyway. Had a good start, then got injured and then became non existent.
He's had a good career, got a Stanley Cup ring and his name on the trophy but perhaps it's him who had the problem? GM is a special kind of donkey, that's a given but Corey rarely tends to upset players to the extent of what Williams said, without sufficient reason. Grimaldi being the most recent example prior to this season.
With McGrattan, I feel he may have lost interest because Corey quite clearly did. Then when you've got GM spouting his usual BS and only being really bothered about ticket sales and hyping up what were, in reality, dead rubber games then it's going to get on players' nerves. He seems to disregard and downplay bad runs of form, doesn't appear to call on the team to do better or it's bye bye. Just wanders around poking his nose in, saying risky things and treating the team like a class of school children 'do as I say'.
As mentioned about Corey, I feel he did really give up before Christmas and the Continental Cup became the only objective. Took his foot off the gas for probably 75% of the season. But when in the Cup game scenarios, the team seemed to play much better. The first Playoff QF game, we dominated and it was probably the best we had played all season, the players were up for it. Look back over regular season games from December onwards and it was clear the team never felt like changing gear, drifted their way through each game.
I'd really love to see Corey coach a team without GM being in his position. The club needs more ambition and needs someone who won't stop at a slight road bump. Corey needs motivating, he's settled in so much with GM that GM will just leave everything to him. You wouldn't catch Kelman not having stern words with Lord if Devils entered a big slump, you wouldn't see Smith not demand better from Thompson.
Similar story in Coventry, in a way. Stewart isn't a good coach, that's clear but will Blaze's GM/Owners do anything about it? No! He had 4 very good years playing with Blaze and it appears, as a result of knowing him very well, it's as if Blaze are giving him the benefit of the doubt and not poking their nose into the way he's coaching Blaze. He's not been pressured with the risk of the bullet, and is apparently on a 3 year deal!
Corey is a good coach but the club needs a monumental shake up and he needs someone who will breathe down his neck each time we lose to a rival or blow a lead. GM does nothing but wander into the locker room and interview someone whilst making each loss sound unimportant, 'we didn't get much luck'.. 'on to the next one now'. He doesn't make anyone accountable, when he should. I bet in Corey's first couple years as coach GM probably did do that kind of thing, but the longer they've been together the less GM wants to get involved.
Hearing negative things about Corey is rare, but about GM? Ask probably any guy who has played for us and not one would take a defensive stance about him.
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Post by tootootrain on Apr 30, 2017 16:57:15 GMT
Well it did when Williams said the 'words to the effect' that I already posted, to me in person. I spoke to him a few times whilst he was over here, being a Red Wings fan first and foremost. He never seemed particularly impressed with GM the GM nor Neilson. I'll take the word of a Stanley Cup winner who has played with and for the best before that of many others.
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Post by Ghost on Apr 30, 2017 17:32:42 GMT
Well it did when Williams said the 'words to the effect' that I already posted, to me in person. I spoke to him a few times whilst he was over here, being a Red Wings fan first and foremost. He never seemed particularly impressed with GM the GM nor Neilson. I'll take the word of a Stanley Cup winner who has played with and for the best before that of many others. I meant iginlas quote, not yours.
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Post by iginla on Apr 30, 2017 19:54:58 GMT
Wouldn't say Williams was anything particularly special anyway. Had a good start, then got injured and then became non existent. He's had a good career, got a Stanley Cup ring and his name on the trophy but perhaps it's him who had the problem? GM is a special kind of donkey, that's a given but Corey rarely tends to upset players to the extent of what Williams said, without sufficient reason. Grimaldi being the most recent example prior to this season. With McGrattan, I feel he may have lost interest because Corey quite clearly did. Then when you've got GM spouting his usual BS and only being really bothered about ticket sales and hyping up what were, in reality, dead rubber games then it's going to get on players' nerves. He seems to disregard and downplay bad runs of form, doesn't appear to call on the team to do better or it's bye bye. Just wanders around poking his nose in, saying risky things and treating the team like a class of school children 'do as I say'. As mentioned about Corey, I feel he did really give up before Christmas and the Continental Cup became the only objective. Took his foot off the gas for probably 75% of the season. But when in the Cup game scenarios, the team seemed to play much better. The first Playoff QF game, we dominated and it was probably the best we had played all season, the players were up for it. Look back over regular season games from December onwards and it was clear the team never felt like changing gear, drifted their way through each game. I'd really love to see Corey coach a team without GM being in his position. The club needs more ambition and needs someone who won't stop at a slight road bump. Corey needs motivating, he's settled in so much with GM that GM will just leave everything to him. You wouldn't catch Kelman not having stern words with Lord if Devils entered a big slump, you wouldn't see Smith not demand better from Thompson. Similar story in Coventry, in a way. Stewart isn't a good coach, that's clear but will Blaze's GM/Owners do anything about it? No! He had 4 very good years playing with Blaze and it appears, as a result of knowing him very well, it's as if Blaze are giving him the benefit of the doubt and not poking their nose into the way he's coaching Blaze. He's not been pressured with the risk of the bullet, and is apparently on a 3 year deal! Corey is a good coach but the club needs a monumental shake up and he needs someone who will breathe down his neck each time we lose to a rival or blow a lead. GM does nothing but wander into the locker room and interview someone whilst making each loss sound unimportant, 'we didn't get much luck'.. 'on to the next one now'. He doesn't make anyone accountable, when he should. I bet in Corey's first couple years as coach GM probably did do that kind of thing, but the longer they've been together the less GM wants to get involved. Hearing negative things about Corey is rare, but about GM? Ask probably any guy who has played for us and not one would take a defensive stance about him. Corey lost interest because Black told him "win any trophy and your back" so once the easiest trophy was won,that was it,coast for the rest of the season. Fault on both parties there. Black should never have said that and Corey should have far more professionalism and respect for the club and its fans.
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