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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 24, 2016 13:39:04 GMT
McGrattan was outstanding. Beggars belief that such a good line (McGrattan, Lawrence, Farmer) has to have Lacho rotating into it as well. When Lacho is on nothing happens and it disrupts their growing chemistry! If my memory serves me correctly Lacho is normally put on that line in defensive zone situations whereas McGrattan will play in the offensive zone, which makes sense. He's always excelled as a defensive, back checking forward who disrupts the opposition. It's his offensive zone decision making I've always had an issue with. Saying that I thought Lacho had very good overall game last night. Lacho rotates with them all, not just McGrattan. Which as far as I can see disrupts the chemistry as Farmer, Lawrence and McGrattan seem to enjoy time together and are becoming reliable scorers. Lawrence and Farmer showed at the back end of last season that they prefer playing with an enforcer on their line, playing an aggressive checking game. When Lacho comes on, he doesn't seem to fit at all. The only players Lacho has ever produced with are Bellamy, Ryan & Francis... he doesn't suit or compliment Farmer, Lawrence or McGrattan's style at all. Agreed that Lacho's effort levels are higher than last year but he's an EPL player without doubt. Very little end product and I'd swap him for any other Erhardt conference Brit in a heartbeat. Don't forget too, Lacho was was of the moaners a few years back that his production was decreasing due to us being bullied out of games. I don't see anyone bullying him with McGrattan in the building... so what's the excuse now?
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Post by iginla on Dec 24, 2016 13:42:28 GMT
Lacho hasn't got an excuse. He gets lots of ice time and has played with good players but still doesn't produce.
If it's a size thing,just look at NIkiforuk. Give them a puck in a corner.....one of them goes in hard and the other doesn't go in at all !
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 24, 2016 14:03:29 GMT
Looking at McGrattan and Nikiforuk standing together at the end of the game really illustrated the difference in size, but both work hard and it pays dividends. Be really interesting where Williams will fit in, but if I was a cynical person I would say that a few players have stepped up their game recently (may be the worry of being gassed) - IMO I think we should keep everyone and carry a few spares, just in case.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 14:53:54 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly Lacho is normally put on that line in defensive zone situations whereas McGrattan will play in the offensive zone, which makes sense. He's always excelled as a defensive, back checking forward who disrupts the opposition. It's his offensive zone decision making I've always had an issue with. Saying that I thought Lacho had very good overall game last night. Lacho rotates with them all, not just McGrattan. Which as far as I can see disrupts the chemistry as Farmer, Lawrence and McGrattan seem to enjoy time together and are becoming reliable scorers. Lawrence and Farmer showed at the back end of last season that they prefer playing with an enforcer on their line, playing an aggressive checking game. When Lacho comes on, he doesn't seem to fit at all. The only players Lacho has ever produced with are Bellamy, Ryan & Francis... he doesn't suit or compliment Farmer, Lawrence or McGrattan's style at all. Agreed that Lacho's effort levels are higher than last year but he's an EPL player without doubt. Very little end product and I'd swap him for any other Erhardt conference Brit in a heartbeat. Don't forget too, Lacho was was of the moaners a few years back that his production was decreasing due to us being bullied out of games. I don't see anyone bullying him with McGrattan in the building... so what's the excuse now? I'm using McGrattan as an example and in which situations he would (and should) be out there instead of him. It's a logical swap in the defensive zone to have Lacho out there instead of McGrattan. I mainly saw Lacho on the ice with Ollie and one of either Carter or Brown. He gets out on the other lines after a powerplay as he doesn't get time on that anymore and rightly so. I think there is a role for him and one he can play quite well and it seems he's been cast into that role now, and that's the role he seems to be portraying now. As a defensive forward I've never had an issue with his play and always thought that's the side of his game he should focus on rather than trying to be a point scorer. As for swapping him for any other Erdhart Brit? Come off it.
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Post by iginla on Dec 24, 2016 15:00:23 GMT
Lacho rotates with them all, not just McGrattan. Which as far as I can see disrupts the chemistry as Farmer, Lawrence and McGrattan seem to enjoy time together and are becoming reliable scorers. Lawrence and Farmer showed at the back end of last season that they prefer playing with an enforcer on their line, playing an aggressive checking game. When Lacho comes on, he doesn't seem to fit at all. The only players Lacho has ever produced with are Bellamy, Ryan & Francis... he doesn't suit or compliment Farmer, Lawrence or McGrattan's style at all. Agreed that Lacho's effort levels are higher than last year but he's an EPL player without doubt. Very little end product and I'd swap him for any other Erhardt conference Brit in a heartbeat. Don't forget too, Lacho was was of the moaners a few years back that his production was decreasing due to us being bullied out of games. I don't see anyone bullying him with McGrattan in the building... so what's the excuse now? I'm using McGrattan as an example and in which situations he would (and should) be out there instead of him. It's a logical swap in the defensive zone to have Lacho out there instead of McGrattan. I mainly saw Lacho on the ice with Ollie and one of either Carter or Brown. He gets out on the other lines after a powerplay as he doesn't get time on that anymore and rightly so. I think there is a role for him and one he can play quite well and it seems he's been cast into that role now, and that's the role he seems to be portraying now. As a defensive forward I've never had an issue with his play and always thought that's the side of his game he should focus on rather than trying to be a point scorer. As for swapping him for any other Erdhart Brit? Come off it. Really ? There's about 15 Erhardt Brits i would happily swop Lacho for !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 15:14:48 GMT
I'm using McGrattan as an example and in which situations he would (and should) be out there instead of him. It's a logical swap in the defensive zone to have Lacho out there instead of McGrattan. I mainly saw Lacho on the ice with Ollie and one of either Carter or Brown. He gets out on the other lines after a powerplay as he doesn't get time on that anymore and rightly so. I think there is a role for him and one he can play quite well and it seems he's been cast into that role now, and that's the role he seems to be portraying now. As a defensive forward I've never had an issue with his play and always thought that's the side of his game he should focus on rather than trying to be a point scorer. As for swapping him for any other Erdhart Brit? Come off it. Really ? There's about 15 Erhardt Brits i would happily swop Lacho for ! Myers, Dowd, Boxill, J. Phillips & Richardson are the ones I'd swap for him, other than that I don't think there's a lot out there.
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Post by dill1015 on Dec 24, 2016 15:16:07 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly Lacho is normally put on that line in defensive zone situations whereas McGrattan will play in the offensive zone, which makes sense. He's always excelled as a defensive, back checking forward who disrupts the opposition. It's his offensive zone decision making I've always had an issue with. Saying that I thought Lacho had very good overall game last night. Lacho rotates with them all, not just McGrattan. Which as far as I can see disrupts the chemistry as Farmer, Lawrence and McGrattan seem to enjoy time together and are becoming reliable scorers. Lawrence and Farmer showed at the back end of last season that they prefer playing with an enforcer on their line, playing an aggressive checking game. When Lacho comes on, he doesn't seem to fit at all. The only players Lacho has ever produced with are Bellamy, Ryan & Francis... he doesn't suit or compliment Farmer, Lawrence or McGrattan's style at all. Agreed that Lacho's effort levels are higher than last year but he's an EPL player without doubt. Very little end product and I'd swap him for any other Erhardt conference Brit in a heartbeat. Don't forget too, Lacho was was of the moaners a few years back that his production was decreasing due to us being bullied out of games. I don't see anyone bullying him with McGrattan in the building... so what's the excuse now? The frustrating thing about Lacho is that he never used to be a poor player. I remember when he came back from Manchester and he had great hands, he could pick a pass as well as any brit. And he earned his place on the powerplay. All that has gone. Totally vanished i dunno whats happened to him. You dont drop your points production to a 3rd of its previous levels just because of line mates. Unless he is on peanuts we should not be resigning him next year.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 24, 2016 15:29:55 GMT
Lacho rotates with them all, not just McGrattan. Which as far as I can see disrupts the chemistry as Farmer, Lawrence and McGrattan seem to enjoy time together and are becoming reliable scorers. Lawrence and Farmer showed at the back end of last season that they prefer playing with an enforcer on their line, playing an aggressive checking game. When Lacho comes on, he doesn't seem to fit at all. The only players Lacho has ever produced with are Bellamy, Ryan & Francis... he doesn't suit or compliment Farmer, Lawrence or McGrattan's style at all. Agreed that Lacho's effort levels are higher than last year but he's an EPL player without doubt. Very little end product and I'd swap him for any other Erhardt conference Brit in a heartbeat. Don't forget too, Lacho was was of the moaners a few years back that his production was decreasing due to us being bullied out of games. I don't see anyone bullying him with McGrattan in the building... so what's the excuse now? I'm using McGrattan as an example and in which situations he would (and should) be out there instead of him. It's a logical swap in the defensive zone to have Lacho out there instead of McGrattan. I mainly saw Lacho on the ice with Ollie and one of either Carter or Brown. He gets out on the other lines after a powerplay as he doesn't get time on that anymore and rightly so. I think there is a role for him and one he can play quite well and it seems he's been cast into that role now, and that's the role he seems to be portraying now. As a defensive forward I've never had an issue with his play and always thought that's the side of his game he should focus on rather than trying to be a point scorer. As for swapping him for any other Erdhart Brit? Come off it. If you think Lacho was mainly on a line with Ollie, Carter or Brown you were not watching the same game (or any other game) I was. My views may be opinion but him rotating with McGrattan, Lawrence and Farmer on that line is a fact. It's been the same for at least the last 5 games. Lacho is EPL material. Period. As for Erhardt Brits, ok a bit extreme but I'd only rate Chris Jones & Lule Piggott as beneath him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 15:52:32 GMT
I'm using McGrattan as an example and in which situations he would (and should) be out there instead of him. It's a logical swap in the defensive zone to have Lacho out there instead of McGrattan. I mainly saw Lacho on the ice with Ollie and one of either Carter or Brown. He gets out on the other lines after a powerplay as he doesn't get time on that anymore and rightly so. I think there is a role for him and one he can play quite well and it seems he's been cast into that role now, and that's the role he seems to be portraying now. As a defensive forward I've never had an issue with his play and always thought that's the side of his game he should focus on rather than trying to be a point scorer. As for swapping him for any other Erdhart Brit? Come off it. If you think Lacho was mainly on a line with Ollie, Carter or Brown you were not watching the same game (or any other game) I was. My views may be opinion but him rotating with McGrattan, Lawrence and Farmer on that line is a fact. It's been the same for at least the last 5 games. Lacho is EPL material. Period. As for Erhardt Brits, ok a bit extreme but I'd only rate Chris Jones & Lule Piggott as beneath him. The way I saw the lines roll out was: 19-18-13 14-24-9 17-16-7/74 Then from there it was any combination of the 3 on the bottom line with Lacho used to fill in elsewhere when people needed an extra shift off (after a powerplay for example). Wherever he was plugged in last night he did well & didn't cause any disruption to line chemistry. He is an EIHL player, of that I have no doubt, I just think he needs a change of scenery (as I believe I've stated over the last 3 off seasons).
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 24, 2016 15:59:59 GMT
If you think Lacho was mainly on a line with Ollie, Carter or Brown you were not watching the same game (or any other game) I was. My views may be opinion but him rotating with McGrattan, Lawrence and Farmer on that line is a fact. It's been the same for at least the last 5 games. Lacho is EPL material. Period. As for Erhardt Brits, ok a bit extreme but I'd only rate Chris Jones & Lule Piggott as beneath him. The way I saw the lines roll out was: 19-18-13 14-24-9 17-16-7/74 Then from there it was any combination of the 3 on the bottom line with Lacho used to fill in elsewhere when people needed an extra shift off (after a powerplay for example). Wherever he was plugged in last night he did well & didn't cause any disruption to line chemistry. He is an EIHL player, of that I have no doubt, I just think he needs a change of scenery (as I believe I've stated over the last 3 off seasons). Betteridge is almost exclusively with Carter & Brown over the past 10 games. He gets a lot of ice time with it. I've notice on odd occasions, Lacho, Ollie might share a line with McGrattan but that doesn't happen much. Our opening line is usually 13-18-19. The next line change it'll be 13-18-7 Then 13-7-19 Then 7-19-18 Back to 13-18-19 and so on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 17:39:46 GMT
The way I saw the lines roll out was: 19-18-13 14-24-9 17-16-7/74 Then from there it was any combination of the 3 on the bottom line with Lacho used to fill in elsewhere when people needed an extra shift off (after a powerplay for example). Wherever he was plugged in last night he did well & didn't cause any disruption to line chemistry. He is an EIHL player, of that I have no doubt, I just think he needs a change of scenery (as I believe I've stated over the last 3 off seasons). Betteridge is almost exclusively with Carter & Brown over the past 10 games. He gets a lot of ice time with it. I've notice on odd occasions, Lacho, Ollie might share a line with McGrattan but that doesn't happen much. Our opening line is usually 13-18-19. The next line change it'll be 13-18-7 Then 13-7-19 Then 7-19-18 Back to 13-18-19 and so on. My whole sample size this season is 2 games, in those 2 games it's not seemed it's been done to that extent, and what's been done with the lines in the 2 I've seen has worked. Lacho, Ollie & McGrattan I recall after power plays (as none of them play PP), saw a bit of Lacho, Ollie & Carter/Brown as well. I also don't mind the changing of players situation depending. Going to be interesting to see where Williams fits into all this.
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