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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 9, 2018 10:14:55 GMT
The Supporters Trust IS a good idea and IS the only realistic way for fans to increase the power of their voices and try to help make some positive changes at the club.
They are actively seeking new people to get on board. If you haven't already done so then get on board now. If the apathy within the fan base kills this it probably won't happen again in a lifetime.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 9, 2018 10:48:13 GMT
The Supporters Trust IS a good idea and IS the only realistic way for fans to increase the power of their voices and try to help make some positive changes at the club. They are actively seeking new people to get on board. If you haven't already done so then get on board now. If the apathy within the fan base kills this it probably won't happen again in a lifetime. Unfortunately I've currently lost faith in the NIHST and, as things stand, won't be renewing my membership. Whilst I agree that the concept is a sound and important one, given the way things worked out with you (arguably the Trust's first test), I'm not convinced that others who put their head above the parapet won't be left to the wolves as you were. As is, I stopped attending Panthers home games a while back can't really say I'm missing the match night 'experience'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 11:17:50 GMT
The Supporters Trust IS a good idea and IS the only realistic way for fans to increase the power of their voices and try to help make some positive changes at the club. They are actively seeking new people to get on board. If you haven't already done so then get on board now. If the apathy within the fan base kills this it probably won't happen again in a lifetime. Unfortunately I've currently lost faith in the NIHST and, as things stand, won't be renewing my membership. Whilst I agree that the concept is a sound and important one, given the way things worked out with you (arguably the Trust's first test), I'm not convinced that others who put their head above the parapet won't be left to the wolves as you were. As is, I stopped attending Panthers home games a while back can't really say I'm missing the match night 'experience'. Likewise, I think the way the trust abandoned you Rob was disgraceful. They didn't back you when you most needed it and their reasons behind the decision were pathetic and I've seen/heard nothing from the trust since. Some of the actions of the trust, like a few of the sarcy tweets, just shouted ego-trip to me. Are they ever going to have that elected board or not? I don't think there will be many renewals when that time comes around in a few months. A great idea but the execution wasn't great and the trust backed down at its first real hurdle and as a result the trust is near enough insignificant now.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 9, 2018 11:56:52 GMT
Are they ever going to have that elected board or not? If you were a member you'd have had an email about that yesterday. The people running it do have their own lives to lead outside of hockey too. It appears to be a load of work, which is the main reason I won't be getting involved beyond membership. I still hope it succeeds. The thing with Rob was unfortunate for them (obviously more unfortunate for Rob), but it seems a bit OTT to write off the whole thing because in its new-born state it wasn't able to immediately get into it with the idiots who run the Panthers. I personally think the approach to the club should've been softly-softly in the extreme, get a few miles on the clock before even trying to engage with them, but as said I've not made the effort to involve myself much, so I've no real business backseat driving.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Feb 9, 2018 12:20:01 GMT
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
The Supporters Trust has been asking for help and involvement from the membership since its inception (even before the situation with Rob) and how many came forward... None! It is all well and good pontificating from afar but idle talk and apathy is a root cause. Perhaps some people want to find any excuse to poo poo anything that might make a difference. Many signed up, but for what? Protest?, I think that is what they saw and wanted it to be; and because it wasn't and never has been, and wont be, then it's not going to work. Positive change was what it was about, but positive and the cage don't seem to go together.
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 9, 2018 12:28:06 GMT
Are they ever going to have that elected board or not? If you were a member you'd have had an email about that yesterday. The people running it do have their own lives to lead outside of hockey too. It appears to be a load of work, which is the main reason I won't be getting involved beyond membership. I still hope it succeeds. The thing with Rob was unfortunate for them (obviously more unfortunate for Rob), but it seems a bit OTT to write off the whole thing because in its new-born state it wasn't able to immediately get into it with the idiots who run the Panthers. I personally think the approach to the club should've been softly-softly in the extreme, get a few miles on the clock before even trying to engage with them, but as said I've not made the effort to involve myself much, so I've no real business backseat driving. 100% agree. I'm exactly the same. It has a place, it has a part to play. Just walk before trying to run for me. Get a board in place. Ensure maximum transparency, Re-evaluate the goals and objectives and go again. The trust does need to ensure it's social media output remains proffesional at all times. It also has a lot of work to do to get people either back on side, or on side at all. Unfortunatly to link it to another thread. There are so many fans happy with what they are getting that I do think the trust will struggle for a long time yet to get a large swell in numbers. However there are more and more fans turning against the club(at least it's upper management) week after week.
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 9, 2018 12:38:05 GMT
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. The Supporters Trust has been asking for help and involvement from the membership since its inception (even before the situation with Rob) and how many came forward... None! It is all well and good pontificating from afar but idle talk and apathy is a root cause. Perhaps some people want to find any excuse to poo poo anything that might make a difference. Many signed up, but for what? Protest?, I think that is what they saw and wanted it to be; and because it wasn't and never has been, and wont be, then it's not going to work. Positive change was what it was about, but positive and the cage don't seem to go together. And this I believe is where the trust alienates some members. Rightly or wrongly I question if that is aimed at myself and others like me. I joined not for protest, but because I thought it was the right thing to do and I believed in the stated original goals. I was always in a position where I wouldn't be able to commit any time to help run the trust but felt joining would help add weight to the cause. Too many statements sound like those members arn't valued because they "can't be bothered to help" or show apathy. That's simply not true for many. I have a busy life, working different times daily, including weekends, have 2 children under 5 and am still going through major building work at home. I shouldn't have to explain my reasons, but for me I dont feel I currently have the time to help. Maybe i'm not the type of person you talk about but this is where the trust need to be carefull. Because I certainly feel like it may be aimed at people like me. And its people like me that if feel thst way will walk away and the trust will be left with a board and not a lot else.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 9, 2018 13:02:02 GMT
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. The Supporters Trust has been asking for help and involvement from the membership since its inception (even before the situation with Rob) and how many came forward... None! It is all well and good pontificating from afar but idle talk and apathy is a root cause. Perhaps some people want to find any excuse to poo poo anything that might make a difference. Many signed up, but for what? Protest?, I think that is what they saw and wanted it to be; and because it wasn't and never has been, and wont be, then it's not going to work. Positive change was what it was about, but positive and the cage don't seem to go together. Not sure that’s very true of anyone I met there at any meeting to be honest. A bit of an over simplification perhaps. The massive game changer for most was finding out that the club wasn’t bound to engage the trust and i can’t think of another single sporting organisation on planet earth less interested in either the sport side or the fans so you might as well have Doris Stokes in the chair for all the good it will do. Personally I really don’t see myself as a typical fan anymore. That side was getting less and less every year anyway. I’m happy to be entertained and a night out with my son. I see myself far more as a neutral now and find myself enjoying it a lot more.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 9, 2018 13:08:44 GMT
I can see why people are a bit dismayed at the trust. All set up with the best intentions of which Rob was no doubt a driving force. I was at the first meeting (one of 12?) and stood in the cold and rain handing out leaflets. Once it reached the point where it was time to elect a board, I knew that due to work/family life, I just wouldn't have enough time to commit.
Then 'bangate' happened and as much as the trust has/had good intentions, I feel they kind of abandoned Rob which left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. I still believe that if the trust could engage with the club, good things could happen. Unfortunately it appears that NB/GM want nothing to do with any kind of positive dialogue. So now what, for the trust? What are the aims if they are unable to engage with the club (through no fault of their own?). Definitely carry on I'd say, I'm happy to carry on with my membership for what little that does.
I still haven't received the above-mentioned e-mail from the trust so can't comment on the contents.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 9, 2018 13:34:55 GMT
Check your spam folder Ted, I've had a few from the Trust end up in there for some reason. Yesterday's came through fine though.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 9, 2018 13:37:10 GMT
Check your spam folder Ted, I've had a few from the Trust end up in there for some reason. Yesterday's came through fine though. Cheers Yotes will do
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Post by spik on Feb 9, 2018 19:16:37 GMT
The Trust to continue. The Club to do as they wish.Engage or not. The Trust to grow and help those within its membership. Lie low and wait on a new owner etc... Be a source of information and a group who meet regulary and bond.Let the club look in from the outside. Hope for the future.
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 9, 2018 23:02:44 GMT
The Trust to continue. The Club to do as they wish.Engage or not. The Trust to grow and help those within its membership. Lie low and wait on a new owner etc... Be a source of information and a group who meet regulary and bond.Let the club look in from the outside. Hope for the future. And that is exactly what should happen. Take time to let it grow. And be more impactful. The trust always had best intentions. Just tried to go to fast too quickly.
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 11, 2018 20:28:24 GMT
Whatever the problems with the trust or any perceived errors it made I'm still immensely proud that I did something other than whinge on forums or social media.
I gave up my time, effort and money to try and make a difference.
The Supporters Trust is still 1 of only 2 ways in which further positive change can happen at the club.
A protest will not happen. People standing up till security come will not happen. All that will happen is long time fans of the club and sport will become gradually more disillusioned and walk away.
If you want to make a difference you have 2 options. Join your Supporters Trust, put some effort and time in or win the euro millions and buy the club....
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Post by kievthegreat on Feb 11, 2018 20:56:26 GMT
Whatever the problems with the trust or any perceived errors it made I'm still immensely proud that I did something other than whinge on forums or social media. I gave up my time, effort and money to try and make a difference. The Supporters Trust is still 1 of only 2 ways in which further positive change can happen at the club. A protest will not happen. People standing up till security come will not happen. All that will happen is long time fans of the club and sport will become gradually more disillusioned and walk away. If you want to make a difference you have 2 options. Join your Supporters Trust, put some effort and time in or win the euro millions and buy the club.... We joke about Euromillions jackpots, but seriously how much would Black ask for? I imagine that despite having no appreciable assets, the fact it's got such a healthy income stream he'd ask for a ridiculous amount for Panthers.
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Post by iginla on Feb 11, 2018 21:02:09 GMT
Whatever the problems with the trust or any perceived errors it made I'm still immensely proud that I did something other than whinge on forums or social media. I gave up my time, effort and money to try and make a difference. The Supporters Trust is still 1 of only 2 ways in which further positive change can happen at the club. A protest will not happen. People standing up till security come will not happen. All that will happen is long time fans of the club and sport will become gradually more disillusioned and walk away. If you want to make a difference you have 2 options. Join your Supporters Trust, put some effort and time in or win the euro millions and buy the club.... We joke about Euromillions jackpots, but seriously how much would Black ask for? I imagine that despite having no appreciable assets, the fact it's got such a healthy income stream he'd ask for a ridiculous amount for Panthers. Several £millions I would think.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 11, 2018 21:08:49 GMT
We joke about Euromillions jackpots, but seriously how much would Black ask for? I imagine that despite having no appreciable assets, the fact it's got such a healthy income stream he'd ask for a ridiculous amount for Panthers. Several £millions I would think. Many severals I expect if the full extent of what was involved was ever known.
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 11, 2018 21:27:27 GMT
Several £millions I would think. Many severals I expect if the full extent of what was involved was ever known. Got to be. We have a business model that provides all of the cash we’ll need to run for the whole season virtually before a puck has been dropped. My guess is we have between 2500 and 2800 season ticket holders. Unlike other teams who let their fans pay over up to 10 months ours pay in July, August and September. That means we have about a 3,000 average walk up which is money in the bank. Plus up to 643 VIP seats at £50 a pop. Then factor in sponsorship and every other revenue stream and it’s an astronomical amount over a season. He gets that year after year.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 11, 2018 21:45:24 GMT
Many severals I expect if the full extent of what was involved was ever known. Got to be. We have a business model that provides all of the cash we’ll need to run for the whole season virtually before a puck has been dropped. My guess is we have between 2500 and 2800 season ticket holders. Unlike other teams who let their fans pay over up to 10 months ours pay in July, August and September. That means we have about a 3,000 average walk up which is money in the bank. Plus up to 643 VIP seats at £50 a pop. Then factor in sponsorship and every other revenue stream and it’s an astronomical amount over a season. He gets that year after year. And that’s just one team.
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Post by mardibum on Feb 11, 2018 22:42:11 GMT
Whatever the problems with the trust or any perceived errors it made I'm still immensely proud that I did something other than whinge on forums or social media. I gave up my time, effort and money to try and make a difference. The Supporters Trust is still 1 of only 2 ways in which further positive change can happen at the club. A protest will not happen. People standing up till security come will not happen. All that will happen is long time fans of the club and sport will become gradually more disillusioned and walk away. If you want to make a difference you have 2 options. Join your Supporters Trust, put some effort and time in or win the euro millions and buy the club.... Sorry Rob. I will be extremely surprised if the Trust exists next season. I admire your effort, but it will fail for 3 reasons. Black will never recognise the Trust. He appears to be terrified of that word in the Trust’s model rules, “Transparency”. Moran will never engage as he believes the Trust threatens his job. People are just too apathetic. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think the current interim board will get ANY applicants/nominations for a permanent board. As I said, I admire your effort. I know how much you’ve put into this, but I can’t see anybody else picking up the ball and running with it - too much effort required when you can winge on here from the comfort of your armchair!
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Post by simonm on Feb 12, 2018 18:26:12 GMT
The trust can ONLY survive from a position of strength...
Anything else and Black and Moran will have no respect for it.
The major ASSET of this hockey club are it's supporters... The thought that these very supporters might get it into their little heads that they should have a say in the running of the club must scare Black rigid.
Only when the supporters come to this realisation that they can be a power for change in the club will the supporters trust be taken seriously.
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Post by mardibum on Feb 12, 2018 20:54:46 GMT
Agree entirely, Simon, but in my opinion the Trust did not show any strength when it was challenged with legal action. As I’ve said before, the Panthers Supporters Trust did not pose a financial threat to the club, the liability of the board was limited to their £1.00 individual shares, and I don’t think Black had a case. I don’t even believe he intended to take the Trust to court, it was pure bullying. Imagine the adverse, perhaps national, publicity he would have attracted for sueing his own fans! He had even disengaged his lawyers, for God’s sake!
But, on external advice, the Trust rolled over, changing it’s whole branding and distancing itself from the team it was set up to support. At that moment, Black won.
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Post by NIHST Communications on Feb 13, 2018 12:04:12 GMT
Here is the latest communique that was sent out to the Trust members last week.
Nottingham Ice Hockey Supporters Trust To all our members -
Here's an important message from the interim board of your Trust.
Apologies for a sustained period of silence from us. January proved to be a busy time for everyone in their world away from hockey meaning our most recent catch up was only last week.
During those discussions we decided the time was right to try and bring some fresh impetus to the Trust as we head towards the end of another disappointing term on the ice, (the CHL campaign aside).
Having initially been a group of us that were keen to work to get the Trust off the ground, and ultimately launched to get the initial backing of you the members, the time now seems right to get a new board in place. That board needs to be made up of volunteers and here is your chance as a member to come forward and help drive the direction of the Trust.
All roles on the board are available (to anyone aged 16 or over). So, whether your skills are words or numbers, social media or speaking, we want to hear from anyone who wants to get involved. If you are interested please get in touch with us either via email (contact@nihst.org) or message us on social media.
The future success of the Trust relies on volunteers to give up their time so we are looking for as many people as possible to come forward. Obviously future arrangements will be decided by the first board, but historically we have run with monthly meetings along with time between meetings being spent on any tasks that individuals take on.
Please respond by 28th February with your interest. From there we will look to have an open evening during March with those interested in forming a board to see what the next step forward will be.
Away from the discussions regarding the board we have had positive conversations with Supporters Direct who we are looking to meet with in the coming weeks in order to help further shape the direction for the Trust and new board to take.
As ever any questions, queries or comments please don’t hesitate to contact.
Thank you for your support.
On behalf of the Interim Board of the Nottingham Ice Hockey Supporters Trust
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 17, 2018 14:11:20 GMT
The hard, boring part has already been done... This IS the only Supporters Trust in U.K. Ice Hockey. Get involved and use your passion for the club to help drive further positive change.
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Post by iginla on Feb 17, 2018 14:32:21 GMT
Has your 7 days solicitor thing elapsed yet Rob ?
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