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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 24, 2017 13:15:44 GMT
Let’s put this bed shall we about rob and his trust . Rob has been kicked out of the arena twice for abuse of players and staff . These were a few years ago but after pleading his case he was allowed back in. The last time he was basically given a final warning . Now this is all on top of him being banned from he city ground for similar issues . I can see exactly why he’s been banned going on his history it’s those that paid money into this trust I feel sorry for. So don’t believe everything this guy tells you . He’s out to make trouble for the club and divide the fans . Hi Truthsayer. I'm not sure what your agenda is but let me set the record straight. I have never been banned from the NIC before. I was threatened with a ban years ago but this was never up held because I hadn't done anything wrong. I'm not a Forest fan and have never even spoken to a steward or anyone at Nottingham Forest football club so that is a total lie. The trust has already helped to deliver some of the things we set out to do and I think all fans would agree that the clubs communication with it's fans has improved over the last 15 months. The trust will continue to try it's best to deliver the wishes of it's members and the wider fan base. I'm certainly not out to make trouble for anyone. There are and never were any negative motives behind the trust. For me it's about helping to make the club be the best it can be for the benefit of all fans. I'm hoping to get this grossly unjust ban revoked asap so that I can get back to supporting the club I love at their home games. Cheers Rob 07974 330553
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Post by Caesar on Oct 24, 2017 13:28:00 GMT
Jeez. Rob you must have skin thicker than a rhino. Good luck sir
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 24, 2017 13:34:18 GMT
Jeez. Rob you must have skin thicker than a rhino. Good luck sir Thanks mate, It's been a tough 15 months for sure. The whole idea came out of frustration and with nothing but good intentions. Despite the seeming evidence that the trust has had a positive effect on the clubs effort levels towards its fan-base it does feel like iv'e been fighting negativity from some of the very same fan-base which we are attempting to help. I've had countless threats send to me via social media. It's been crazy. I do have to admit that iv'e questioned why I bothered several times but overall it has undoubtedly made a positive difference for all Panthers fans so I can take some pride it that and feel that it's been worthwhile. Just hoping I can get back in to the matches soon. I'd hate to miss the CHL home game after following the brilliant campaign so closely and my 7 year old son is obsessed since I started taking him to games at the end of last season so I'd love to be able to take him to some more games asap.
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 24, 2017 13:58:54 GMT
Let’s put this bed shall we... Hello Gary Moran/Neil Black's hand puppet. How about we put this to bed shall we. You registered today purely to go after Rob, I'm sure that breaches the terms and conditions of the forum. Crawl off back to whence you came if that's all you've got and are here for.
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Post by mattscold on Oct 24, 2017 14:16:56 GMT
Let’s put this bed shall we about rob and his trust . Thankfully it is not up to you when this gets 'put to bed' If Rob has been banned over what was said at the Q&A that is ridiculous, and i wont be told when to stop talking about it by you. If the mods want to lock this thread that is their prerogative, it is not yours.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 14:19:08 GMT
How have you got the nerve to call yourself thetruthsayer!!
If I were Rob I'd be challenging you for your name so I could pass it on to my solicitor - that's libel!!
As for the poor people who have given the trust their money, I consider it money well spent. I'm sure you could afford it out of your Panthers salary.
Unfortunately, I have it on good authority that more groundless, untrue slurs against the Trust on are their way!!
Just keep your ears open folks, see if I'm right!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 14:20:43 GMT
Made you angry folks? Email "Lift the Ban!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 15:06:20 GMT
Precisely, it's such a bold move that I feel there must be more to it than is portrayed on here. If everything said on here is 100% true then yes it's completely unreasonable but I just think there must be more to it because it just doesn't add up. If NB was going to ban somebody just for speaking out then Iginla wouldn't have been allowed within 10 miles of the arena years ago. The ban is for the abusive and threatening comments made to Mr Black at the public Q&A. As I didn't make any abusive or threatening comments i'm keen to get the ban revoked asap so that I can get back to supporting my team and taking my lad to the appropriate games for him. Whatever anyone thinks of me personally ( I don't know many Panthers fans personally) there are no evil or malicious motives behind the trust. The idea was and still is to improve the relationship between the clubs management and the clubs fans. Since the emergence of the trust much of the stuff we were hoping would happen has happened and we have been quick to praise the organisation for these improvements. I believe that the emergence of the trust has helped at least in part to see an improvement for all fans of the club, even the vocal minority (Not including you Stratty) who take every opportunity they can find or create to have a snipe at the trust. Hello Rob, for what it's worth in responses to myself you have always been respectful of my difference of opinion, given the amount of time and money you have probably invested in this I think that's a very noble thing as it could very easily come across as a personal. From experience it isn't pleasant to put work into something for people to pick at it. As constructive as I think I've been you've stayed equally as respectful to me and that goes a long way with me. I still don't want to comment on whatever has happened at the Q&A or anything that has happened before or after because there just isn't the evidence there for me to see and make an informed opinion. That being said though I really hope you can get back in the NIC as soon as possible. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the method I don't for one second doubt that your intentions were/are anything than good and I certainly don't doubt your commitment as a fan, you've gone far and beyond anything I ever will. I will happily buy you a pint next time I see you at a game which I hope is sooner rather than later. I hope you can get this sorted and I very much dislike what has happened on here this afternoon. I put much more trust in somebody online who will provide their real identity rather than a faceless account created to attack one individual. Tell us who you are or your opinion means nothing.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 24, 2017 15:09:32 GMT
The ban is for the abusive and threatening comments made to Mr Black at the public Q&A. As I didn't make any abusive or threatening comments i'm keen to get the ban revoked asap so that I can get back to supporting my team and taking my lad to the appropriate games for him. Whatever anyone thinks of me personally ( I don't know many Panthers fans personally) there are no evil or malicious motives behind the trust. The idea was and still is to improve the relationship between the clubs management and the clubs fans. Since the emergence of the trust much of the stuff we were hoping would happen has happened and we have been quick to praise the organisation for these improvements. I believe that the emergence of the trust has helped at least in part to see an improvement for all fans of the club, even the vocal minority (Not including you Stratty) who take every opportunity they can find or create to have a snipe at the trust. Hello Rob, for what it's worth in responses to myself you have always been respectful of my difference of opinion, given the amount of time and money you have probably invested in this I think that's a very noble thing as it could very easily come across as a personal. From experience it isn't pleasant to put work into something for people to pick at it. As constructive as I think I've been you've stayed equally as respectful to me and that goes a long way with me. I still don't want to comment on whatever has happened at the Q&A or anything that has happened before or after because there just isn't the evidence there for me to see and make an informed opinion. That being said though I really hope you can get back in the NIC as soon as possible. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the method I don't for one second doubt that your intentions were/are anything than good and I certainly don't doubt your commitment as a fan, you've gone far and beyond anything I ever will. I will happily buy you a pint next time I see you at a game which I hope is sooner rather than later. I hope you can get this sorted and I very much dislike what has happened on here this afternoon. I put much more trust in somebody online who will provide their real identity rather than a faceless account created to attack one individual. Tell us who you are or your opinion means nothing. Thanks Stratty. That message means a lot. If I ever get back in i'll take you up on that pint. Cheers Rob
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:43:59 GMT
The ban is for the abusive and threatening comments made to Mr Black at the public Q&A. As I didn't make any abusive or threatening comments i'm keen to get the ban revoked asap so that I can get back to supporting my team and taking my lad to the appropriate games for him. Whatever anyone thinks of me personally ( I don't know many Panthers fans personally) there are no evil or malicious motives behind the trust. The idea was and still is to improve the relationship between the clubs management and the clubs fans. Since the emergence of the trust much of the stuff we were hoping would happen has happened and we have been quick to praise the organisation for these improvements. I believe that the emergence of the trust has helped at least in part to see an improvement for all fans of the club, even the vocal minority (Not including you Stratty) who take every opportunity they can find or create to have a snipe at the trust. Hello Rob, for what it's worth in responses to myself you have always been respectful of my difference of opinion, given the amount of time and money you have probably invested in this I think that's a very noble thing as it could very easily come across as a personal. From experience it isn't pleasant to put work into something for people to pick at it. As constructive as I think I've been you've stayed equally as respectful to me and that goes a long way with me. I still don't want to comment on whatever has happened at the Q&A or anything that has happened before or after because there just isn't the evidence there for me to see and make an informed opinion. That being said though I really hope you can get back in the NIC as soon as possible. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the method I don't for one second doubt that your intentions were/are anything than good and I certainly don't doubt your commitment as a fan, you've gone far and beyond anything I ever will. I will happily buy you a pint next time I see you at a game which I hope is sooner rather than later. I hope you can get this sorted and I very much dislike what has happened on here this afternoon. I put much more trust in somebody online who will provide their real identity rather than a faceless account created to attack one individual. Tell us who you are or your opinion means nothing. Spot on. I’m in the same boat, whilst my opinions differ and I’m not a supporter of the trust, I have nothing but the upmost respect for you Rob for the work and effort you have put in to making it what it is. I hope this whole mess with the ban gets sorted ASAP. Best of luck with it! P.s. And I have sent an email to Panthers regarding lifting the ban.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 24, 2017 21:09:22 GMT
Hello Rob, for what it's worth in responses to myself you have always been respectful of my difference of opinion, given the amount of time and money you have probably invested in this I think that's a very noble thing as it could very easily come across as a personal. From experience it isn't pleasant to put work into something for people to pick at it. As constructive as I think I've been you've stayed equally as respectful to me and that goes a long way with me. I still don't want to comment on whatever has happened at the Q&A or anything that has happened before or after because there just isn't the evidence there for me to see and make an informed opinion. That being said though I really hope you can get back in the NIC as soon as possible. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the method I don't for one second doubt that your intentions were/are anything than good and I certainly don't doubt your commitment as a fan, you've gone far and beyond anything I ever will. I will happily buy you a pint next time I see you at a game which I hope is sooner rather than later. I hope you can get this sorted and I very much dislike what has happened on here this afternoon. I put much more trust in somebody online who will provide their real identity rather than a faceless account created to attack one individual. Tell us who you are or your opinion means nothing. Spot on. I’m in the same boat, whilst my opinions differ and I’m not a supporter of the trust, I have nothing but the upmost respect for you Rob for the work and effort you have put in to making it what it is. I hope this whole mess with the ban gets sorted ASAP. Best of luck with it! P.s. And I have sent an email to Panthers regarding lifting the ban. Thanks ToothFairy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 7:38:03 GMT
The trust are having an open meeeting on 9th November. See nihst.org for details.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 28, 2017 7:09:16 GMT
Lets fill the barn and cheer the lads onto another 2 league points this evening.
Don't forget we have an open meeting coming up. If you want to get more involved with your trust just get in touch.
If you have got any questions about this or membership there will be several members of the interim board at tonight's match so please feel free to get in touch to arrange a chat.
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Post by spik on Nov 5, 2017 18:12:40 GMT
Rob,
The Grantham BIG christmas fayre on 18/19 Nov...How can we get these half price tickets to attend. Sure I saw somewhere that they are selling well and we'd need one in advance but can't find anything online as yet. Don't want to stroll up and can't get in. Only can find a christmas fayre at some grand place but it's a different date.
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 6, 2017 14:05:58 GMT
Rob, The Grantham BIG christmas fayre on 18/19 Nov...How can we get these half price tickets to attend. Sure I saw somewhere that they are selling well and we'd need one in advance but can't find anything online as yet. Don't want to stroll up and can't get in. Only can find a christmas fayre at some grand place but it's a different date. Hi Spik. Please visit whoop.events and then use the Voucher code NIHST when filling out the form.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 20:20:15 GMT
In the hope that someone from Panthers IS monitoring this thread, come on guys, show some compassion. Rob Scott is a passionate Panthers supporter, and as Neil Black has said before, hockey needs passionate people.
Rob travelled to Bern to support the team, and irrespective of who is right or wrong it would be just cruel to keep him away from this, the most important game in Panther’s history. In addition, since going to a few games at the end of last season, Rob’s 8 year old son has become an obsessive ice hockey fan. The ban is hurting him as much as Rob.
I know that Rob is absolutely gutted that an idea that was started with such good intentions has come to such a terrible end. And it WAS started with good intentions, not as an anti club protest or to get anyone sacked. Anyway, that’s by-the-by, the Trust is as good as dead, in my opinion.
Rob has accepted the ban so far. He has not attempted to “sneak in” to games, and his response has been measured and dignified. He is one supporter amongst thousands and his presence at the game will hurt the club not one iota.
I know that the circumstances are totally different, but as the ban on the Breahead supporter has been lifted, could you not, in the spirit of reconciliation, just give Rob a ring tomorrow and let him know he and his son can attend this momentous game.
Let your customers see the human face of the Nottingham Panthers management team.
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Post by spik on Nov 7, 2017 6:08:39 GMT
In the hope that someone from Panthers IS monitoring this thread, come on guys, show some compassion. Rob Scott is a passionate Panthers supporter, and as Neil Black has said before, hockey needs passionate people. Rob travelled to Bern to support the team, and irrespective of who is right or wrong it would be just cruel to keep him away from this, the most important game in Panther’s history. In addition, since going to a few games at the end of last season, Rob’s 8 year old son has become an obsessive ice hockey fan. The ban is hurting him as much as Rob. I know that Rob is absolutely gutted that an idea that was started with such good intentions has come to such a terrible end. And it WAS started with good intentions, not as an anti club protest or to get anyone sacked. Anyway, that’s by-the-by, the Trust is as good as dead, in my opinion. Rob has accepted the ban so far. He has not attempted to “sneak in” to games, and his response has been measured and dignified. He is one supporter amongst thousands and his presence at the game will hurt the club not one iota. I know that the circumstances are totally different, but as the ban on the Breahead supporter has been lifted, could you not, in the spirit of reconciliation, just give Rob a ring tomorrow and let him know he and his son can attend this momentous game. Let your customers see the human face of the Nottingham Panthers management team. Spot on.
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 7, 2017 18:13:14 GMT
Further to the recent e-mail from the interim board of the NIHST to their members; it is with deep sadness and disappointment that I confirm my resignation as interim chair. Over the last 15 months or so, I've put a lot of time and effort into this, so I haven't come to this decision lightly.
As some of you may already be aware, following the October Q&A session with Neil Black, I received a personal ban from all home games for the remainder of the 2017/2018 season. The ban was a result of the ‘manner’ in which I challenged Neil Black during the Q&A session regarding his opposition to the Trust. As part of the letter from the Panthers Management Team, it also cited two previous incidents at the National Arena from several years ago, where the club had attempted to ban me before. However, it must be noted that the two previous attempts had both been revoked as the reasons were completely unfounded and unjustified. Those of you who were at the Q&A session will know that my exchange of views with Neil Black at the Q&A session was no way aggressive and I was plainly stating the facts regarding the club’s communication with the Trust.
I decided to start the Supporters Trust for the benefit of all fans with the aim of improving the relationship between the club and it's fan base. I believe that the Trust has already helped to achieve some improvements and I wish them all the best for their future endeavours. I also feel that the club have a personal issue with me so I hope that by stepping aside, the Trust may have more chance of forming a positive relationship with the club's management, in the future.
My main focus will now be to try and get the ban revoked so that I can get back to supporting the guys on the ice and be able to take my son to home games again.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Nov 7, 2017 22:34:42 GMT
Further to the recent e-mail from the interim board of the NIHST to their members; it is with deep sadness and disappointment that I confirm my resignation as interim chair. Over the last 15 months or so, I've put a lot of time and effort into this, so I haven't come to this decision lightly. As some of you may already be aware, following the October Q&A session with Neil Black, I received a personal ban from all home games for the remainder of the 2017/2018 season. The ban was a result of the ‘manner’ in which I challenged Neil Black during the Q&A session regarding his opposition to the Trust. As part of the letter from the Panthers Management Team, it also cited two previous incidents at the National Arena from several years ago, where the club had attempted to ban me before. However, it must be noted that the two previous attempts had both been revoked as the reasons were completely unfounded and unjustified. Those of you who were at the Q&A session will know that my exchange of views with Neil Black at the Q&A session was no way aggressive and I was plainly stating the facts regarding the club’s communication with the Trust. I decided to start the Supporters Trust for the benefit of all fans with the aim of improving the relationship between the club and it's fan base. I believe that the Trust has already helped to achieve some improvements and I wish them all the best for their future endeavours. I also feel that the club have a personal issue with me so I hope that by stepping aside, the Trust may have more chance of forming a positive relationship with the club's management, in the future. My main focus will now be to try and get the ban revoked so that I can get back to supporting the guys on the ice and be able to take my son to home games again. Thanks Rob for your efforts - pity things have gone a bit sour - best of luck in the future and hope that you get your wish.
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Post by spik on Nov 8, 2017 10:45:35 GMT
Your wanting to attend games after the ban Rob, which shows you are a valid and important asset to the club.However, I've been so downbeat about either the running of the sport or actions taken that I have virtually banned myself from the game. More pressing home affairs came first but by the measure of having only attended two games this season (both CHL) I have actually increased my attendance by 100% on last season.I haven't followed this sport for others to ruin my enjoyment, so I chose to not attend but I still follow the sport/team because I like the game. So it may be a long time before I go again and more likely it would be an away game.Not that people at 'Panthers Towers' would bother about that as there are more people still waiting outside waiting to come in.Anyone to have followed the club so far from the eighties seem obsolete now. I hope you get your wish Rob.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 12:47:00 GMT
New ideas and projects from the trust. See ..... contact@nihst.org
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Post by NIHST Communications on Dec 22, 2017 12:30:53 GMT
Latest Update from From the Nottingham Ice Hockey Supporters Trust and Supporters Direct
Given recent developments we at the Nottingham Ice Hockey Supporters Trust want to re-state our position and update everyone following conversations with Supporters Direct over the last couple of weeks.
As we previously published to our members, the management of the Nottingham Panthers IHC have banned Rob Scott, the Chairperson of the Trust’s Interim Board, from attending matches for the rest of this season. The Club were in a position where they were able to cite two previously alleged incidents and actions they had taken, over and above any issues arising from the dialogue with Neil Black during the Q&A session held in October. The linkage to alleged incidents pre-dating any Trust activity creates an issue that is personal to Rob, outside of the remit of the Trust. He decided that it would be in the best interests of the Trust for the issue to be clearly separated from the operations of the Trust. As a result, he resigned from his position on the Interim Board. If the issue had solely been around the dialogue at the Q&A event, then both the Trust and Supporters Direct would have taken a different stance in respect of action taken by the Club.
The Trust recognises that the work led by Rob to get the Trust off the ground has been outstanding. We know we will be challenged without having him on the team. However, we are determined to continue to push the Trust forward - we owe this to our members. One of the actions you will see us driving will be getting to the point where we will hold elections to establish the formal Board for the Trust, (it is a requirement of our constitution to hold elections annually and deemed best practice by Supporters Direct). We have stated from the outset that we knew we would be challenged and that the Trust has to be seen as a long-term project. But the aims of the Nottingham Ice Hockey Supporters Trust remain consistent and continue to be positive - We want the Trust to be able to provide a co-ordinated and structured voice for the supporters of professional ice hockey in Nottingham; with a body of members that is connected to the wider community across ice hockey, fan groups from other sports organisations, the City of Nottingham and the surrounding area. Whether directly or indirectly we will seek to help the Club be the best it can be.
We have had extremely positive conversations and exchanges of information with Supporters Direct over the last couple of weeks. They understand that the actions of the Club will be causing members concern. They will support us if the Club take actions arising from people purely being members or supporters of the Trust. Here is a statement provided by Supporters Direct - “Supporters Direct’s mission statement is to promote good governance in sport and enable the development of sustainable clubs based on the engagement of their supporters. We feel that there is a real opportunity to develop a culture of engagement and involvement of supporters of British Ice Hockey clubs to both promote and strengthen the game and improve relationships between clubs and their fans. Engagement comes in many forms and we appreciate the difficult starting point at Nottingham, but we are dedicated to work with the Nottingham Ice Hockey Supporters Trust and with the Club to highlight positive impacts that a good working relationship between the parties can have for the Club, the community, and the sport as a whole. We have an opportunity to build something very special in Nottingham, which may be something that other clubs could follow. We hope that Nottingham Panthers can look beyond the issues of the past and accept SD’s assistance and guidance with open minds, in the spirit of cooperation in which it is offered. Supporters are so much more than customers, you are the lifeblood of your clubs, you are fans, not numbers and we will continue to strive to ensure your voices are heard.” We are looking forward to working more closely with Supporters Direct and will be holding face to face discussions early in the New Year. We’ll be posting more news on this as it becomes available. As ever, if you have any ideas or you wish to help in any way with time or skills please drop us a message at – contact@nihst.org
Thanks, on behalf of both the NIHST Interim Board and Supporters Direct
NIHST SD Update 21122017.pdf (359.63 KB)
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Post by oldman on Jan 4, 2018 2:09:16 GMT
Happy New Year Folks
As somebody who joined the trust from the outset i do wonder what Gary personally fears about being a little bit more open towards the fans rather than treating the fanbase with complete disdain unless you are in his clique, or eager to buy shirts in auctions or sponsor players.
In the past 15 years i have never seen Gary soften his stance until now in a small way, since the Trust was formed we appear to be getting a better website, the Q & A was set up, and still not enough but a little more of what appears to be honest reports rather than sugar coating ones we used to get , ( well we lost but hey never mind there is a shirt auction to promote type stuff) as it used to be. Pure coincidence? (maybe not)
i could have joined the Panthers travel group after all i was a supporters club member for many years till Gary seemed to take that over in a rather underhand way.
However i know through my links with Football how a seperate Supporters group not tied to the club and management can have a positive affect on any club. in the end the Trust members are simply long standing Panthers fans who want to help the club grow and not destroy it. no different from most who go to the games i reckon.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jan 4, 2018 13:55:01 GMT
You don't have to 'join' the travel group, no membership is necessary.
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Post by oldman on Jan 4, 2018 15:34:34 GMT
You don't have to 'join' the travel group, no membership is necessary. Well i will retract the need to join it, however if the supporters club was still going you wouldnt need the travel group so the premise still stands in my opinion.
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