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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2015 18:55:29 GMT
Why do you always assume I'm outraged ?
I'm not outraged,I'm just asking perfectly reasonable questions and debating various points. If you want to presume I'm outraged then that's up to you,but I'm a perfectly sane,reasonable person who just happens to want my team to always do its best,give itself the best chance to win and for Panthers to do their best for their fans.
I don't see anything wrong with any of that,anybody would think I was a complete nutter the way some of you lot respond.
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Post by John Casey on Dec 12, 2015 0:07:27 GMT
Excellent show, really glad I took the chance on it. Found out hilarious that a team could schedule a Teddy Bear toss and not score, even better that it was Breahead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 21:35:18 GMT
We're recording this weeks podcast tomorrow night so does anyone have anything hockey related that they would like us to discuss on #AskTCW?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2015 21:38:33 GMT
Would it have been a good idea for the team to travel up to Scotland last Thursday instead of the day of the first game?
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2015 22:45:58 GMT
Are triple or even double headers good for the team from a results perspective ? Rarely do Panthers ever seem to come out of the double headers on better than a 50/50 split,especially against Belfast.
Personally i don't think they do us any favours at all.
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Post by Shorty on Dec 16, 2015 12:14:34 GMT
Should players leaving the bench to join an altercation be subject to suspension, as they have been throughout previous seasons?
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Post by Yotes on Dec 16, 2015 13:02:04 GMT
Not entirely sure how to word this, but anyway. Do you think we, as a fanbase, sometimes take it all a bit too seriously, and lose the fun of it somewhere along the way?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 13:03:48 GMT
Not entirely sure how to word this, but anyway. Do you think we, as a fanbase, sometimes take it all a bit too seriously, and lose the fun of it somewhere along the way? Deep! Any context around that mate? PM me if you don't want to post it.
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Post by mattscold on Dec 16, 2015 13:45:13 GMT
Not entirely sure how to word this, but anyway. Do you think we, as a fanbase, sometimes take it all a bit too seriously, and lose the fun of it somewhere along the way? I would say definitely
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Post by Yotes on Dec 16, 2015 14:06:37 GMT
Not entirely sure how to word this, but anyway. Do you think we, as a fanbase, sometimes take it all a bit too seriously, and lose the fun of it somewhere along the way? Deep! Any context around that mate? PM me if you don't want to post it. It's my personal experience in my relatively short time (about 10 years now) I suppose, and recognising myself in others on here. When I first started going (phase 1), it was just the enjoyment of the game really, titles and that didn't really bother me, results didn't really bother me so long as it was fun. That soon passed and I became a right moaner about everything for a good while, especially on here (phase 2), eventually it dawned on me that I'd managed to strangle most of the fun out of it because it was bothering me too much, so I had to make a conscious decision to take it less seriously and accept it for what it was (phase 3), which I manage with varying degrees of success Winning the league helped me in my move to phase 3 of course, but I had realised it before that point. I read a lot of what's posted on here, so I kinda see myself in phase 2 in a lot of people, people who have been fans a lot longer than me too (I'm not just talking about Iggy either ). I'm not saying they're wrong to treat it that way, we all commit a lot of time and money to it, I just wonder whether the enjoyment of it all - the fun - is passing them by, as it was me? Not sure that makes sense, but perhaps you see where I'm coming from. It could be that everyone else can take it seriously and take the fun from it at the same time, and it was just my problem, but I wonder sometimes.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 16, 2015 15:40:25 GMT
Deep! Any context around that mate? PM me if you don't want to post it. It's my personal experience in my relatively short time (about 10 years now) I suppose, and recognising myself in others on here. When I first started going (phase 1), it was just the enjoyment of the game really, titles and that didn't really bother me, results didn't really bother me so long as it was fun. That soon passed and I became a right moaner about everything for a good while, especially on here (phase 2), eventually it dawned on me that I'd managed to strangle most of the fun out of it because it was bothering me too much, so I had to make a conscious decision to take it less seriously and accept it for what it was (phase 3), which I manage with varying degrees of success Winning the league helped me in my move to phase 3 of course, but I had realised it before that point. I read a lot of what's posted on here, so I kinda see myself in phase 2 in a lot of people, people who have been fans a lot longer than me too (I'm not just talking about Iggy either ). I'm not saying they're wrong to treat it that way, we all commit a lot of time and money to it, I just wonder whether the enjoyment of it all - the fun - is passing them by, as it was me? Not sure that makes sense, but perhaps you see where I'm coming from. It could be that everyone else can take it seriously and take the fun from it at the same time, and it was just my problem, but I wonder sometimes. If we had won the league more than once it would be easier. Panthers are a very frustrating team to support sometimes and that can be as much to blame for sucking the fun out rather than daring to hope that we could do it again at some point.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 16, 2015 15:45:44 GMT
It's my personal experience in my relatively short time (about 10 years now) I suppose, and recognising myself in others on here. When I first started going (phase 1), it was just the enjoyment of the game really, titles and that didn't really bother me, results didn't really bother me so long as it was fun. That soon passed and I became a right moaner about everything for a good while, especially on here (phase 2), eventually it dawned on me that I'd managed to strangle most of the fun out of it because it was bothering me too much, so I had to make a conscious decision to take it less seriously and accept it for what it was (phase 3), which I manage with varying degrees of success Winning the league helped me in my move to phase 3 of course, but I had realised it before that point. I read a lot of what's posted on here, so I kinda see myself in phase 2 in a lot of people, people who have been fans a lot longer than me too (I'm not just talking about Iggy either ). I'm not saying they're wrong to treat it that way, we all commit a lot of time and money to it, I just wonder whether the enjoyment of it all - the fun - is passing them by, as it was me? Not sure that makes sense, but perhaps you see where I'm coming from. It could be that everyone else can take it seriously and take the fun from it at the same time, and it was just my problem, but I wonder sometimes. If we had won the league more than once it would be easier. Panthers are a very frustrating team to support sometimes and that can be as much to blame for sucking the fun out rather than daring to hope that we could do it again at some point. Agree with FS here and to elaborate, it's often more about the 'off-ice' performance being very frustrating as opposed to the on-ice performance.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 16, 2015 16:28:37 GMT
This is why I said I hadn't worded it very well I don't really disagree with either of you, certainly not about wanting them to win the league again, or even winning every week, but if they don't do those things, does it really matter, provided the ride is still fun? Do you ever feel the frustrations you say are there are outweighing the enjoyment you do take from it? For me, a few years back, they were, and sometimes on here I can kinda see the same thing in others. The other week against Sheffield when we lost 4-6, lose that a while back and I'd not be a happy chappy on here I can assure you, but tbh I found the last knockings of that game so much fun as we threw everything at trying to tie it up, I have to say I wasn't really bothered by the result, because it gave me in those few minutes what hockey gave me when I first went to see it, before I was encumbered with history and form and league tables and numbers of imports and line combos and etc etc. As I said, maybe it's just me and it's probably not a very good question, just thought I'd throw it out there.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 16, 2015 16:55:50 GMT
This is why I said I hadn't worded it very well I don't really disagree with either of you, certainly not about wanting them to win the league again, or even winning every week, but if they don't do those things, does it really matter, provided the ride is still fun? Do you ever feel the frustrations you say are there are outweighing the enjoyment you do take from it? For me, a few years back, they were, and sometimes on here I can kinda see the same thing in others. The other week against Sheffield when we lost 4-6, lose that a while back and I'd not be a happy chappy on here I can assure you, but tbh I found the last knockings of that game so much fun as we threw everything at trying to tie it up, I have to say I wasn't really bothered by the result, because it gave me in those few minutes what hockey gave me when I first went to see it, before I was encumbered with history and form and league tables and numbers of imports and line combos and etc etc. As I said, maybe it's just me and it's probably not a very good question, just thought I'd throw it out there. I was the opposite Yotes - hated that defeat on and off for days! I do kind of see where you're coming from though. For me, all of my grumbles and moans are forgotten once I'm inside the building. Once the puck drops I'm 100% behind the team. As a kid when I first went, it was just good fun but as I've got older, the winning has become massive to me. Having said that, there are acceptable ways to lose and there unacceptable ways to lose which we saw many times last season. Winning is definitely more fun than losing
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 16, 2015 17:56:51 GMT
This is why I said I hadn't worded it very well I don't really disagree with either of you, certainly not about wanting them to win the league again, or even winning every week, but if they don't do those things, does it really matter, provided the ride is still fun? Do you ever feel the frustrations you say are there are outweighing the enjoyment you do take from it? For me, a few years back, they were, and sometimes on here I can kinda see the same thing in others. The other week against Sheffield when we lost 4-6, lose that a while back and I'd not be a happy chappy on here I can assure you, but tbh I found the last knockings of that game so much fun as we threw everything at trying to tie it up, I have to say I wasn't really bothered by the result, because it gave me in those few minutes what hockey gave me when I first went to see it, before I was encumbered with history and form and league tables and numbers of imports and line combos and etc etc. As I said, maybe it's just me and it's probably not a very good question, just thought I'd throw it out there. I was talking to a group of old guys at the Fife game at the weekend and I was saying that we have a team this year that all being well and barring too many injuries we could possibly win the league this year and one of them replied, "you don't care though so long as you beat Sheffield do you?" That just about summed it up. Yes winning means as much to me as any other hockey fan out there. 1990's DFS style promo for good seats in your face all of the time, the "World Famous National Arena", big crowds week in week out, a website that tends to preach at you like you are a kid rather than engage you as a fan. The reality is that as far as winning the league goes the Panthers are minnows and the constant BS sucks the enthusiams away now. We are fed stuff like the Play Off Weekend is more important to the players than the league then we celebrate winning the Challenge Cup like we had just won the Olympics. The league means a lot to the fans (as it does to the other teams fans who win it with boring monotony over the years) but to win it just once in living memory?? I love it when we win and there are now and again some fantastic games when we lose but the endless crap, excuses, sound bites and BS suck the life out of it for me to the extent it now makes me feel like an idiot to still be a fan travelling all over the UK to follow them week in and week out.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 16, 2015 18:32:33 GMT
I love it when we win and there are now and again some fantastic games when we lose but the endless crap, excuses, sound bites and BS suck the life out of it for me to the extent it now makes me feel like an idiot to still be a fan travelling all over the UK to follow them week in and week out. Perhaps the positives you get from the experience of travelling up & down the UK with your family/friends outweighs all that in the grand total, but doesn't it seem a bit odd that you're allowing something that's meant to be fun for you makes you feel that way? Again, not saying you're "wrong" to think like that, just wondering if we'd all be better off if we just let some of it brush off us?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 16, 2015 19:06:33 GMT
I love it when we win and there are now and again some fantastic games when we lose but the endless crap, excuses, sound bites and BS suck the life out of it for me to the extent it now makes me feel like an idiot to still be a fan travelling all over the UK to follow them week in and week out. Perhaps the positives you get from the experience of travelling up & down the UK with your family/friends outweighs all that in the grand total, but doesn't it seem a bit odd that you're allowing something that's meant to be fun for you makes you feel that way? Again, not saying you're "wrong" to think like that, just wondering if we'd all be better off if we just let some of it brush off us? Would the fans of the other so-called top teams? Or the teams themselves?
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Post by iginla on Dec 16, 2015 21:09:22 GMT
It's a very difficult question to answer,because everybody is built differently.
Some will go for the night out,some just because it's hockey,others will have been going for so long that after many hundreds of games it just becomes a habit so the highs and lows wash over them a bit and some will get right into it until it almost rules their lives. I bet there are people out there who can't resist checking websites etc at all sorts of odd hours,they want every snippet of news,go to every fan event and never miss a photo. None of them are right or wrong though,some people care more than others and some think everything in the garden is rosy and all they read is true,others are very sceptical and then there are some complete pessimists.
For me,for 5 or 6 years I got really really into it,never missed a home game and went to most away too,threw tons of money at the Panthers left right and centre in all sorts of ways. Gradually though the spin,the half truths and the blatant lies got the better of me,the never seeming to do more then they had to irritated me,whilst watching the likes of the Steelers seem to do everything they could to win. One day I woke up,decided that was it and from then on I would still go to every home game and a few away trips,but other than still going to games that was it. Why was i giving them everything,when they did not seem to be doing the same,that was my annoyance.
I still want them to win as much as ever,still love the team,but it's also why I am still very very cynical too.
At the end of the day,some people care more than others,it's no different to having two people in an office,one goes to work simply for the money but swings plenty of sickies given half a chance,the other guy really cares about his job and still goes in to work even when he's poorly.
And supporting a sports team is no different......it takes all sorts !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 23:55:39 GMT
A disappointing weekend for Nottingham Panthers in Scotland is covered first by Aaron Lord, Tina Taylor, Andy Haywood & me in this weeks edition of The Cat's Whiskers Podcast. From that we move on the the other EIHL news & results including the Challenge Cup draw fiasco, Boris Valabik's two game DOPS ban & Steelers Official Twitter. We answer #AskTCW questions regarding GB under 20's, triple & double headers and do we fans take things too seriously? Finally we look ahead to a huge game at the NIC on Saturday against Cardiff Devils which includes an interview with Devils defenceman Mark Richardson. Then we look ahead to Sunday's game in Altrincham against Manchester Storm with their GM Neil Russell. Download or stream from the link below. wp.me/P6zbpB-dJ
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Post by allingtonskates on Dec 17, 2015 0:41:50 GMT
great podcast Jono and the crew but a shame about the weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 15:52:35 GMT
We're recording this weeks podcast tomorrow night so does anyone have anything hockey related that they would like us to discuss on #AskTCW?
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Post by John Casey on Dec 22, 2015 21:29:38 GMT
Has Cam Janssen given the Panthers players more protection as in will opposing players might be more careful when it comes to going in physical?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 22, 2015 21:41:19 GMT
*if* Wiikman is going to be out for a while (and I hope he isn't) do we need to bring someone in to cover him?
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Post by iginla on Dec 22, 2015 22:32:57 GMT
Braeheads supporters club paying for the team to fly down to Cardiff last Sunday and help secure a vital win......when Panthers haven't even got a supporters club !
Two teams,same owner,big differences......why ?
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Post by ted logan on Dec 22, 2015 22:40:15 GMT
Braeheads supporters club paying for the team to fly down to Cardiff last Sunday and help secure a vital win......when Panthers haven't even got a supporters club ! Two teams,same owner,big differences......why ? Maybe Braehead don't have a GM with an enormous ego who thinks he's bigger than the club?
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