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Post by nate24 on Sept 18, 2015 23:26:48 GMT
Unfortunately it wasn't implemented between the Caps and Giants.
Shouldn't they just scrap it for this year and deduct a point from the Devils to level the field?
Dean Smith apologised on twitter. Easily one of the best refs in our league so I'm sure he will bounce back.
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Post by nate24 on Sept 19, 2015 1:28:37 GMT
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 19, 2015 5:03:42 GMT
So an OT period and potential shootout (a time when players are often knackered and mistakes are made) is going to be played by two teams with fresh legs? I guess all things aren't created equal... They should have scrapped the OT/Shootout for CC games and deducted a point from Cardiff. Just when you think the EIHL is shaking of its amateurish nature.
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 19, 2015 6:23:05 GMT
Strip Cardiff of a point and change the format for all of the remaining games? What a totally ridiculous idea.
Dean Smith screwed up - this reflects badly upon him and upon the league, no question about that. But it was a mistake, and mistakes happen. The sensible course of action is to resolve the situation with the minimum possible impact on the rest of the league, which is what I gather they're doing - playing OT before the next game. The ridiculous course of action is to monkey around with every other game in the competition, including at least one that's already been played!
Would you be calling for us to be stripped of a point if we'd got the OT win in Cardiff? Bet you wouldn't...
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Post by nate24 on Sept 19, 2015 6:48:58 GMT
Strip Cardiff of a point and change the format for all of the remaining games? What a totally ridiculous idea. Dean Smith screwed up - this reflects badly upon him and upon the league, no question about that. But it was a mistake, and mistakes happen. The sensible course of action is to resolve the situation with the minimum possible impact on the rest of the league, which is what I gather they're doing - playing OT before the next game. The ridiculous course of action is to monkey around with every other game in the competition, including at least one that's already been played! Would you be calling for us to be stripped of a point if we'd got the OT win in Cardiff? Bet you wouldn't... The idea has no reflection on Dean Smith. It's an idea you don't have to be so condescending towards. It's a valid opinion just like yours is. I would not care about the point of it kept the competition on a level playing field. In my opinion and it is just that so I'm not going to lambast the idea, this outcome comes across as amateurish. If the league game goes to a shootout it will be a loooooooong night. Not everyone will be happy with every decision made in situations like this.
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Post by pantherdman on Sept 19, 2015 7:41:07 GMT
Why didn't the ref just check his copy of this years elite league rule book?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 7:57:12 GMT
Why didn't the ref just check his copy of this years elite league rule book? I hear that he did but he was busy wading through the 'DOPS & Steelers' pages & the ice started to melt.
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 19, 2015 8:22:50 GMT
Why didn't the ref just check his copy of this years elite league rule book? They couldn't find the fag packet it was written on...
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 19, 2015 8:27:47 GMT
Strip Cardiff of a point and change the format for all of the remaining games? What a totally ridiculous idea. Dean Smith screwed up - this reflects badly upon him and upon the league, no question about that. But it was a mistake, and mistakes happen. The sensible course of action is to resolve the situation with the minimum possible impact on the rest of the league, which is what I gather they're doing - playing OT before the next game. The ridiculous course of action is to monkey around with every other game in the competition, including at least one that's already been played! Would you be calling for us to be stripped of a point if we'd got the OT win in Cardiff? Bet you wouldn't... The idea has no reflection on Dean Smith. It's an idea you don't have to be so condescending towards. It's a valid opinion just like yours is. I would not care about the point of it kept the competition on a level playing field. In my opinion and it is just that so I'm not going to lambast the idea, this outcome comes across as amateurish. If the league game goes to a shootout it will be a loooooooong night. Not everyone will be happy with every decision made in situations like this. Condescending? Give over... Look - a mistake was made, right? Last weekend, the CC games were played as per the rules - one of them went to OT. A result was achieved and recorded - job done. This weekend, they made a mistake. Which makes more sense - to completely change the format of the entire competition, including to retroactively change the result of a game which was conducted properly, or to just make the best of a bad job with this one game (play the OT today) and leave everything else as normal? It's a no-brainer. And I bet we wouldn't even be having this discussion if the Panthers had won in OT last Saturday... what would be the reaction on here if the Panthers had won in OT and Cardiff fans were now saying that the Panthers should lose the extra point? Light blue touchpaper and stand well back...
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Post by nate24 on Sept 19, 2015 8:43:51 GMT
It's not the point you made I took issue with. It was your language.
If the moderators talk to members like crap there is no hope for members treating each other with respect.
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Post by fishman on Sept 19, 2015 9:37:44 GMT
This situation is a absolute farce, what about the club officials the men in suits, what did they say or not say in this case, are they saying its all Smith's fault, I don't think it is!!!!!!!!
The 2 clubs are lucky that they play again tonight the next time these 2 meet in Belfast is 12th November.
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 19, 2015 9:55:39 GMT
This situation is a absolute farce, what about the club officials the men in suits, what did they say or not say in this case, are they saying its all Smith's fault, I don't think it is!!!!!!!! The 2 clubs are lucky that they play again tonight the next time these 2 meet in Belfast is 12th November. Its been said that officials and players from both teams were telling Smith he was wrong but some people just won't be told, nor seemingly will they check (a simple matter since this new-fangled Internet was invented). I have no sympathy for Smith. I've never particularly liked him as an ice hockey official, and whilst pushing for the EIHL punishing him would be akin to cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, perhaps it will shine an even brighter light on the overall poor quality of on and off ice officials in this apparently professional league. The standard of players has reached the highest it's been in the EIHL yet the officiating is still as pathetic as it's ever been.
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 19, 2015 9:55:59 GMT
It's not the point you made I took issue with. It was your language. If the moderators talk to members like crap there is no hope for members treating each other with respect. Is "ridiculous" now a bad word? The 'rudest things said were to call your idea ridiculous. Nothing was aimed personally.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 19, 2015 12:42:51 GMT
I thought we'd had OT/SO in the Challenge Cup for a few seasons now? Dean Smith gets the not-Joe Grimaldi award on GMTV this week.
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Post by flyerpanther on Sept 19, 2015 16:30:22 GMT
I thought we'd had OT/SO in the Challenge Cup for a few seasons now? Dean Smith gets the not-Joe Grimaldi award on GMTV this week. You lads are priceless..and I thought the bickering on Flyers forum was bad... Im reminded of a quarter-final PO game in Kirkcaldy a few yrs back when plexi glass smashed and we had to play the last few minutes list at Nottingham...we lost on aggregate due to abyssmal biased refereeing decisions....but Im not bitter about it!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 19, 2015 16:33:52 GMT
I thought we'd had OT/SO in the Challenge Cup for a few seasons now? Dean Smith gets the not-Joe Grimaldi award on GMTV this week. You lads are priceless..and I thought the bickering on Flyers forum was bad... Im reminded of a quarter-final PO game in Kirkcaldy a few yrs back when plexi glass smashed and we had to play the last few minutes list at Nottingham...we lost on aggregate due to abyssmal biased refereeing decisions....but Im not bitter about it! Good
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 19, 2015 19:35:11 GMT
You lads are priceless..and I thought the bickering on Flyers forum was bad... Im reminded of a quarter-final PO game in Kirkcaldy a few yrs back when plexi glass smashed and we had to play the last few minutes list at Nottingham...we lost on aggregate due to abyssmal biased refereeing decisions....but Im not bitter about it! So, the failure of someone at Fife to sort a broken pane of plexi out in a reasonable time, useless rink staff or officiating issue?
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Post by flyerpanther on Sept 19, 2015 21:29:45 GMT
You lads are priceless..and I thought the bickering on Flyers forum was bad... Im reminded of a quarter-final PO game in Kirkcaldy a few yrs back when plexi glass smashed and we had to play the last few minutes list at Nottingham...we lost on aggregate due to abyssmal biased refereeing decisions....but Im not bitter about it! So, the failure of someone at Fife to sort a broken pane of plexi out in a reasonable time, useless rink staff or officiating issue? Definately an officiating issue (the ref was only accepting English tenners..)
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Post by iginla on Sept 19, 2015 23:02:42 GMT
For the referee to get a simple rule like playing overtime wrong is bad. To then be told by various people and players that he was wrong,insist he was right and still get it wrong,is just totally embarrassing and unacceptable.
It's on a par with Sheffields "black ice" adverts !
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Post by Shorty on Sept 20, 2015 6:49:31 GMT
Highlights that some officials think they are on a pedestal.
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Post by dreadface on Sept 20, 2015 8:18:36 GMT
I thought we'd had OT/SO in the Challenge Cup for a few seasons now? Dean Smith gets the not-Joe Grimaldi award on GMTV this week. You lads are priceless..and I thought the bickering on Flyers forum was bad... Im reminded of a quarter-final PO game in Kirkcaldy a few yrs back when plexi glass smashed and we had to play the last few minutes list at Nottingham...we lost on aggregate due to abyssmal biased refereeing decisions....but Im not bitter about it! Heres hoping Fife have spare plexi next time and dont try replacing it with a wooden plank again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 9:29:31 GMT
Highlights that some officials think they are on a pedestal. I disagree. I used to referee Football and during one of my first games as a 14 year old lad, I had given a penalty kick and the striker kicked the ball, it hit the post and rebounded out, and he kicked it again and it went in. I gave a goal. Both managers shouted to me that it shouldn't have counted as the ball needed to touch another player before it could touch the Penalty taker again. I was in the centre of 22 players and 2 managers and all their spectators and decided to take the hit to my pride and agree with the mangers as I had forgotten about a very minor rule that occurs rarely. Now my point here is if you give a decision then are told you are wrong, it's amazing the pressure you feel in that moment. People forget these guys are human and are under so much scrutiny. Give him some slack, yes it's a bad mistake but I blame the league more than anyone. The fact referees and even fans are unsure if a cup game should go to overtime shows a distinct lack of communication from the league.
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Post by Shorty on Sept 20, 2015 9:45:38 GMT
Now my point here is if you give a decision then are told you are wrong, it's amazing the pressure you feel in that moment. People forget these guys are human and are under so much scrutiny. Give him some slack, yes it's a bad mistake but I blame the league more than anyone. The fact referees and even fans are unsure if a cup game should go to overtime shows a distinct lack of communication from the league. It seemed the majority but Smith knew. If the other referee at Cardiff knew, then Smith should have as well. It should have taken a matter of minutes to ascertain. At least he admitted his fault.
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 20, 2015 9:55:29 GMT
It should have taken a matter of minutes to ascertain. At least he admitted his fault. Yep. In this day of mobile devices with Internet connectivity how long would it have taken to check what two benches and various off-ice officials were telling him? Pride (arrogance) before the fall?
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Post by spik on Sept 20, 2015 12:01:09 GMT
When I heard of this I just laughed. No change in this sport over the years.Just hype over standards of play.etc..
No one to call who is of equal authority in Elite to query this? Not one of the three on ice officials having an idea before the season starts to confirm 100%?
No communication before the season started.Beer league again.
I'm with GM on this one. A draw is a draw.Whatever league. Leave OT/PS to KO games.
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