Smudge
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Post by Smudge on May 6, 2014 18:12:25 GMT
Apologies if I'm miles off the mark but would Nottingham having an EPL team address issues such as Tom asking for his release.
I note many saying that we should have four import D. What I think we should have is six import-standard D (Weaver and Lee would meet this criteria in my opinion). This is what we had in 2012-13 thanks to Fox playing D and of course we won the league. I appreciate people's concerns about us once again going with three import D, Weaver, Lee and Norton, as per last season, as Tom is not considered to be up to scratch. Yet.
Tom's position at the moment reminds me of where Lacho was in his development a few years ago. He was a promising youngster but needed more ice time so he went to Manchester for a season and came back a much improved player who has since improved even more into the player he is today. Tom appears to be in a similar place in terms of his career (albeit he is a little older than Lacho was when he went to Manchester) and he has already benefited from time away from the club and the additional ice time he has had in a lower league.
The reason I suggest we have an EPL team is that it could allow us to manage situations such as Tom's (and Lacho's in the past) within the club, rather than these players having to go elsewhere and possibly be lost to the club in the long term as they would be far more approachable from other clubs. The likes of Tom, Josh Ward, Dan Green and Sam Gospel could get regular ice time at a reasonable standard to the benefit of their careers whilst being available for call-up to the Panthers when injuries require, whilst ultimately making the step-up to the Panthers in the longer term. The netminders in particular could basically take it in turns to back up K-Wall, whilst getting a start with the EPL team the other week. It would also serve as a springboard for Lions players looking to take the next step, given that it would appear to be quite a leap from the Lions straight to the Panthers, hence why the likes of Lacho and Tom have deemed it necessary to move to an EPL side temporarily.
The EPL team could also have a small number of imports who could fill gaps in the Panthers line up when injuries occurred and the EPL team could also be used as part of the rehabilitation process for injured Panthers players (imports and Brits).
We are well placed in terms of having two ice pads to accommodate this sort of set up although I appreciate that there could be financial implications regarding running a semi-professional team in addition to the Panthers and the Lions, not forgetting all the junior teams.
This is something which has puzzled me for a while now and was the first thing that came to mind when I heard of Tom's request to be released. Like I say, there could be something blindingly obvious that makes this a non-starter but I thought I'd put it out there for comment.
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pman
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Post by pman on May 6, 2014 18:35:29 GMT
Apologies if I'm miles off the mark but would Nottingham having an EPL team address issues such as Tom asking for his release. I note many saying that we should have four import D. What I think we should have is six import-standard D (Weaver and Lee would meet this criteria in my opinion). This is what we had in 2012-13 thanks to Fox playing D and of course we won the league. I appreciate people's concerns about us once again going with three import D, Weaver, Lee and Norton, as per last season, as Tom is not considered to be up to scratch. Yet. Tom's position at the moment reminds me of where Lacho was in his development a few years ago. He was a promising youngster but needed more ice time so he went to Manchester for a season and came back a much improved player who has since improved even more into the player he is today. Tom appears to be in a similar place in terms of his career (albeit he is a little older than Lacho was when he went to Manchester) and he has already benefited from time away from the club and the additional ice time he has had in a lower league. The reason I suggest we have an EPL team is that it could allow us to manage situations such as Tom's (and Lacho's in the past) within the club, rather than these players having to go elsewhere and possibly be lost to the club in the long term as they would be far more approachable from other clubs. The likes of Tom, Josh Ward, Dan Green and Sam Gospel could get regular ice time at a reasonable standard to the benefit of their careers whilst being available for call-up to the Panthers when injuries require, whilst ultimately making the step-up to the Panthers in the longer term. The netminders in particular could basically take it in turns to back up K-Wall, whilst getting a start with the EPL team the other week. It would also serve as a springboard for Lions players looking to take the next step, given that it would appear to be quite a leap from the Lions straight to the Panthers, hence why the likes of Lacho and Tom have deemed it necessary to move to an EPL side temporarily. The EPL team could also have a small number of imports who could fill gaps in the Panthers line up when injuries occurred and the EPL team could also be used as part of the rehabilitation process for injured Panthers players (imports and Brits). We are well placed in terms of having two ice pads to accommodate this sort of set up although I appreciate that there could be financial implications regarding running a semi-professional team in addition to the Panthers and the Lions, not forgetting all the junior teams. This is something which has puzzled me for a while now and was the first thing that came to mind when I heard of Tom's request to be released. Like I say, there could be something blindingly obvious that makes this a non-starter but I thought I'd put it out there for comment. I completely agree with your comment! And for an ice hockey city like nottingham not having a EPL side is ridiculous! and the main reason for this is not enough ice time would be able to be allocated to an EPL side. Alongside panthers, lions, all the junior teams, figure skating, events etc But nevertheless we should have an EPL side for these situations!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 6, 2014 18:36:34 GMT
Apologies if I'm miles off the mark but would Nottingham having an EPL team address issues such as Tom asking for his release. I note many saying that we should have four import D. What I think we should have is six import-standard D (Weaver and Lee would meet this criteria in my opinion). This is what we had in 2012-13 thanks to Fox playing D and of course we won the league. I appreciate people's concerns about us once again going with three import D, Weaver, Lee and Norton, as per last season, as Tom is not considered to be up to scratch. Yet. Tom's position at the moment reminds me of where Lacho was in his development a few years ago. He was a promising youngster but needed more ice time so he went to Manchester for a season and came back a much improved player who has since improved even more into the player he is today. Tom appears to be in a similar place in terms of his career (albeit he is a little older than Lacho was when he went to Manchester) and he has already benefited from time away from the club and the additional ice time he has had in a lower league. The reason I suggest we have an EPL team is that it could allow us to manage situations such as Tom's (and Lacho's in the past) within the club, rather than these players having to go elsewhere and possibly be lost to the club in the long term as they would be far more approachable from other clubs. The likes of Tom, Josh Ward, Dan Green and Sam Gospel could get regular ice time at a reasonable standard to the benefit of their careers whilst being available for call-up to the Panthers when injuries require, whilst ultimately making the step-up to the Panthers in the longer term. The netminders in particular could basically take it in turns to back up K-Wall, whilst getting a start with the EPL team the other week. It would also serve as a springboard for Lions players looking to take the next step, given that it would appear to be quite a leap from the Lions straight to the Panthers, hence why the likes of Lacho and Tom have deemed it necessary to move to an EPL side temporarily. The EPL team could also have a small number of imports who could fill gaps in the Panthers line up when injuries occurred and the EPL team could also be used as part of the rehabilitation process for injured Panthers players (imports and Brits). We are well placed in terms of having two ice pads to accommodate this sort of set up although I appreciate that there could be financial implications regarding running a semi-professional team in addition to the Panthers and the Lions, not forgetting all the junior teams. This is something which has puzzled me for a while now and was the first thing that came to mind when I heard of Tom's request to be released. Like I say, there could be something blindingly obvious that makes this a non-starter but I thought I'd put it out there for comment. Seems like a very expensive way of keeping hold of a couple of players. Would rather the money was spent on the Panthers team rather than have the Panthers create it's own competition for bums on seats.
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BigLad
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Post by BigLad on May 6, 2014 19:38:22 GMT
Apologies if I'm miles off the mark but would Nottingham having an EPL team address issues such as Tom asking for his release. I note many saying that we should have four import D. What I think we should have is six import-standard D (Weaver and Lee would meet this criteria in my opinion). This is what we had in 2012-13 thanks to Fox playing D and of course we won the league. I appreciate people's concerns about us once again going with three import D, Weaver, Lee and Norton, as per last season, as Tom is not considered to be up to scratch. Yet. Tom's position at the moment reminds me of where Lacho was in his development a few years ago. He was a promising youngster but needed more ice time so he went to Manchester for a season and came back a much improved player who has since improved even more into the player he is today. Tom appears to be in a similar place in terms of his career (albeit he is a little older than Lacho was when he went to Manchester) and he has already benefited from time away from the club and the additional ice time he has had in a lower league. The reason I suggest we have an EPL team is that it could allow us to manage situations such as Tom's (and Lacho's in the past) within the club, rather than these players having to go elsewhere and possibly be lost to the club in the long term as they would be far more approachable from other clubs. The likes of Tom, Josh Ward, Dan Green and Sam Gospel could get regular ice time at a reasonable standard to the benefit of their careers whilst being available for call-up to the Panthers when injuries require, whilst ultimately making the step-up to the Panthers in the longer term. The netminders in particular could basically take it in turns to back up K-Wall, whilst getting a start with the EPL team the other week. It would also serve as a springboard for Lions players looking to take the next step, given that it would appear to be quite a leap from the Lions straight to the Panthers, hence why the likes of Lacho and Tom have deemed it necessary to move to an EPL side temporarily. The EPL team could also have a small number of imports who could fill gaps in the Panthers line up when injuries occurred and the EPL team could also be used as part of the rehabilitation process for injured Panthers players (imports and Brits). We are well placed in terms of having two ice pads to accommodate this sort of set up although I appreciate that there could be financial implications regarding running a semi-professional team in addition to the Panthers and the Lions, not forgetting all the junior teams. This is something which has puzzled me for a while now and was the first thing that came to mind when I heard of Tom's request to be released. Like I say, there could be something blindingly obvious that makes this a non-starter but I thought I'd put it out there for comment. Seems like a very expensive way of keeping hold of a couple of players. Would rather the money was spent on the Panthers team rather than have the Panthers create it's own competition for bums on seats. Why not put the funding behind the Lions and promote them to EPL?
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Smudge
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Post by Smudge on May 6, 2014 19:53:57 GMT
Seems like a very expensive way of keeping hold of a couple of players. Would rather the money was spent on the Panthers team rather than have the Panthers create it's own competition for bums on seats. Why not put the funding behind the Lions and promote them to EPL? Why not indeed, although there is then the potential of the step up from junior to EPL Lions being the significant hurdle that the Lions to the Panthers appears to be today. In response to your comment BigLad, the benefits would be greater than just holding onto a couple of player, or it should be. It really ought to help in the overall production of locally trained players who eventually play for the Panthers. Regarding competition for bums on seats, surely the EPL team could be marketed completely differently to the Panthers. How about Friday night home games, a fiver to get in, target the student community, especially if a lot of the players are on uni courses at least partly funded by the club.
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Post by kezypanther on May 6, 2014 20:52:30 GMT
Smudge does make a good point though. I think nottingham having an epl side would also benefit lions and panthers.
Lions Brits will step up and get ice time at a higher level. Panther Brits that aren't currently elite standard can get ice time in a competitive Epl side. It goes back to the age old question of why aren't panthers or many of the elite teams making stronger connections with junior development or having farm teams in epl. I understand epl teams might not want there Brits to only be developed there before they up and leave for an elite team.
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BigLad
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Post by BigLad on May 7, 2014 6:46:21 GMT
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Post by panthertom93 on May 7, 2014 8:09:41 GMT
Absolute class from the guy. Must have been an awful decision to make. Really hope it pays off and he returns one day
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nate24
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Post by nate24 on May 7, 2014 8:34:16 GMT
The panthers do not officially affiliate with the lions as it is. They will not support an EPL side as it would take away from the Panthers sponsors and fan base so it won't happen unless independent funding either backs the lions or forms a new team.
Peterborough Phantoms and Shefffield Steeldogs are both close enough that if they really wanted to they could do a deal. Steeldogs and Steelers do not have an affiliation.
If you think back Mike Ellis bought in an affiliation with Bracknall. If the club want it, it is possible.
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pman
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Post by pman on May 7, 2014 9:02:34 GMT
This just shows how mature he is. There is many guys that would spit their dummies out of this and make a big commotion. Top lad and a top player! Hope to see him back at panthers sooner rather than later!
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5+game
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Post by 5+game on May 7, 2014 9:16:32 GMT
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Post by Yotes on May 7, 2014 9:51:52 GMT
Sounds like a sensible decision all round, not lost to the club and gets his ice time.
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BigLad
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Post by BigLad on May 7, 2014 11:43:52 GMT
Take note Sheffield, THAT'S how you announce the departure of a player without gazumping the team the player signs for!!!
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Post by goon37 on May 7, 2014 13:48:48 GMT
Take note Sheffield, THAT'S how you announce the departure of a player without gazumping the team the player signs for!!! This
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 18:05:15 GMT
In this Cat's Whiskers article I look at Tom Norton's departure from Panthers and the dignified way it was handled by both club & player. How it should be done
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 21:33:19 GMT
In this Cat's Whiskers article I look at Tom Norton's departure from Panthers and the dignified way it was handled by both club & player. How it should be doneWell said Jono. I'm sorry Tom's gone. First class person and developing into a handy defenceman. Best of luck to the lad.
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Post by pantherdman on May 9, 2014 8:25:28 GMT
Probably got offered more money in epl, fair play to him. Solid bench warmer for the champions league.
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Post by loveday on May 9, 2014 9:00:01 GMT
The title of this topic should be changed to read "Norton on 2 way deal with EPL team". As Panthers changed their mind after the initial posting this topic is misleading.
How much time he will actually play for us we will have to wait and see.
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nate24
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Post by nate24 on May 12, 2014 18:40:58 GMT
He has signed for the Peterboroufh Phantoms. Nice and close to make him accessible whilst playing for a decent EPL side. This is a win win situation. www.peterboroughphantoms.com
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Post by panthertom93 on May 12, 2014 19:24:57 GMT
He has signed a 2 year deal with them too...
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pman
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Post by pman on May 12, 2014 21:25:13 GMT
Gonna get the ice time and responsibility he deserves! Plus seems like all the fans of the Phantoms are really happy he has signed again!
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Post by NickThePanther44 on May 17, 2014 4:03:35 GMT
An EPL team would be a serious investment. There's simply no way it's going to happen.
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