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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 6, 2014 18:20:57 GMT
The conference format is staying.
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Post by spik on Apr 6, 2014 18:24:33 GMT
The conference format is staying. I understood that all will play each other evenly as per a normal round robin schedule though. Thus the loss of the advantage to Gardiner sides of less games versus Erdhart teams.A 54 game schedule.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 6, 2014 18:25:40 GMT
I don't think that's been confirmed anywhere spik (not that it won't be).
The season tickets we're selling cover 26 games though.
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Post by Spooks on Apr 6, 2014 19:33:36 GMT
Bin the elite league, join a Euro League and hopefully get some decent refs.
Oooo loook were playing sheffield again and again and again......its the biggest YAWNARAMA in hockey.....
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Post by grazza on Apr 6, 2014 23:54:11 GMT
Just want to correct the poster claiming Edinburgh are paying nothing for playing at Murrayfield this is very much not the case they are a completely separate entity and have to pay rent like any group that uses the ice. It may not be arena prices but in relation the facilities and proportion of budget is non insignificant. Clearly this season was a terrible year but last season we were the top Scottish team in the overall table finishing 6th. People need to realise that there will always be your bigger and smaller teams. Take away likes of Caps and Hull and then someone else just falls into that sort of situation. Clearly this season has been a let down but lets not write anyone off based on a bad season. There is progress in terms of organising the fan club and groupon deals etc have got big crowds to both elite and SNL games. SNL Caps also won the league and play off titles with Scottish cup still up for grabs. Dundee and Hull both missed the play offs last year and had some uncertainty but bounced back nicely.
In terms of Euro league calm down take the continental cup seriously get to the final stage regularly (not just Nottingham but elite teams in general) then maybe getting a champions league spot a bit easy. I'm sure you elite season has been disappointing for you in relation to our expectations like it is with me and my team. The elite league is very competitive and crowds are on the up. Winning and losing is part of the experience you had a great season with your treble last season and still got a cup this year so not too bad. The officiating needs investment just hope the league as a whole realises that business wise it is getting more stable and progressing and teams don't go all superleague. It might sound great to be in a league with some big euro names but unless its you winning your crowds won't hold anywhere near to sustain such a level.
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Post by tootootrain on Apr 7, 2014 7:38:21 GMT
Grazza - I agree with many of your points, especially about not joining a Euro league, but this is absolute tosh. It might sound great to be in a league with some big euro names but unless its you winning your crowds won't hold anywhere near to sustain such a level. Panthers aren't Steelers. The attendances in Nottingham have always been good, win or lose. Success is realitively recent but the strength of the fanbase is long-term. Its a shame that Edinburgh can't pull larger crowds considering they play in a Capital city but I guess it is an indictment of the quality of ownership they've had.
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Post by Mark on Apr 7, 2014 19:22:04 GMT
Still need in an ideal world teams in London, Liverpool, Manchester and perhaps Leeds and Dublin, we are a bit scottish centric right now.however it is a better than it used to be. There was a window of opportunity when the Leeds Arena openned. However the shape fo the building rules ic ehockey out. Its difficult to see how they will now be able to get a suitable venue. I'm not totally sure but I believe another regular arena is being built next to Elland Road.
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Post by iginla on Apr 7, 2014 19:43:34 GMT
When The new London team and Telford join the EIHL the year after next that's when it will all get re-structured.
No point in changing anything next year only to change it again the following season.
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Post by Mark on Apr 7, 2014 19:45:08 GMT
Wouldn't want to play in a Euro league, much prefer domestic competition. I have many reasons but off the top of my head, virtually no away support from ourselves and competing teams, no real rivalries, probably much higher costs and European referees.
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Post by iginla on Apr 7, 2014 19:51:49 GMT
And we would have to play their girlie euro rules too Mark.........I reckon crowds would drop considerably without the feistiness of the North American/our game.
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Post by bruinspanthers on Apr 7, 2014 20:16:13 GMT
There was a window of opportunity when the Leeds Arena openned. However the shape fo the building rules ic ehockey out. Its difficult to see how they will now be able to get a suitable venue. I'm not totally sure but I believe another regular arena is being built next to Elland Road. I believe this has been rumoured for years and years not sure if it's true though and just been held up etc...
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Post by Mark on Apr 7, 2014 20:25:08 GMT
And we would have to play their girlie euro rules too Mark.........I reckon crowds would drop considerably without the feistiness of the North American/our game. Totally agree, I don't like how this season has been watered down. I'm not after a slugfest but I enjoy a good physical contest.
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Post by Mark on Apr 7, 2014 20:27:37 GMT
And we would have to play their girlie euro rules too Mark.........I reckon crowds would drop considerably without the feistiness of the North American/our game. Totally agree, I don't like how this season has been watered down. I'm not after a slugfest but I enjoy a good physical contest. I was working up there about a month ago and the ground proposed for this project has been cleared and levelled. Talking to people up there it seemed to be happening but who knows?
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Post by grazza on Apr 7, 2014 22:51:23 GMT
Grazza - I agree with many of your points, especially about not joining a Euro league, but this is absolute tosh. It might sound great to be in a league with some big euro names but unless its you winning your crowds won't hold anywhere near to sustain such a level. Panthers aren't Steelers. The attendances in Nottingham have always been good, win or lose. Success is realitively recent but the strength of the fanbase is long-term. Its a shame that Edinburgh can't pull larger crowds considering they play in a Capital city but I guess it is an indictment of the quality of ownership they've had. Apart from one year in the ISL where they scrapped past Newcastle to make the play offs Nottingham has never really had what I call a losing team. It is relative to expectations I guess but they are consistently in the top 3rd of the league if they struggle below that for a year people will stick with it but even at that if Nottingham has the season that Cardiff had crowds would drop maybe not extreme but people would probably be less inclined to get season tickets the next season and if that form continued very much pick and choose games. Not sure what Euro league they could get in the Austrian one if you take travel out or get a deal they could compete well with their resources but say Germany then really people need to become accustomed to maybe not winning 70% of home games which they can probably achieve in elite even in a bad season. Panthers are consistently a winning team at home, Neil Black has been good with them in having them consistently competitive at the top they didn't win too much too soon or too often. Can't recall off the top of my head 2 seasons in a row where panthers haven't won a trophy of some sort.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 8, 2014 5:43:27 GMT
The conference format is staying. I understood that all will play each other evenly as per a normal round robin schedule though. Thus the loss of the advantage to Gardiner sides of less games versus Erdhart teams.A 54 game schedule. In the last statement regarding the CC and Europe it was confirmed that no more changes to any competitions would taking place. Something I was very happy about personally.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 8, 2014 5:46:11 GMT
There was a window of opportunity when the Leeds Arena openned. However the shape fo the building rules ic ehockey out. Its difficult to see how they will now be able to get a suitable venue. I'm not totally sure but I believe another regular arena is being built next to Elland Road. There is indeed a rink being built next to Elland Road and it shouldn't be too far off being started. Unfortunately it's only going to be a small one (1400ish capacity) and according to someone within the ice development circle on THF it will not be home to an EIHL team.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 8, 2014 5:51:51 GMT
When The new London team and Telford join the EIHL the year after next that's when it will all get re-structured. No point in changing anything next year only to change it again the following season. With the backing of Wayne Scholes Telford certainly are an obvious candidate to join the EIHL on paper but with such a small capacity and no way to extend is it really a viable option in the short term? Saying that though, there was talk on THF of interest in putting a team in to the NEC in Birmingham. Possible franchise move Solihull/Coventry style? As for London I'm very confident that'll come off. It'll then be very interesting to see how the EIHL format changes. Perhaps three conferences of four?
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Post by harlan on Apr 8, 2014 7:49:02 GMT
I'm not totally sure but I believe another regular arena is being built next to Elland Road. There is indeed a rink being built next to Elland Road and it shouldn't be too far off being started. Unfortunately it's only going to be a small one (1400ish capacity) and according to someone within the ice development circle on THF it will not be home to an EIHL team. There is already a team for Leeds, a website and everything. It looks like they are aiming for NIHL but for now they are reccy which isn't a bad place to start www.leedsknights.co.uk/
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Post by harlan on Apr 8, 2014 8:11:36 GMT
So here is a left field idea for a new EIHL team.
Aberdeen.
Apparently a new arena is being built by a billionaire at the beach area up there which is going to be 6,000/7,000 capacity and they have already put a tender in to join the Elite league in two years time.
As money is no object they will be able to throw it at anybody to come and play for them in the first instance so that they get it established. They would have no problems with sponsorship up there.
Even though the SNL Lynx haven't been very successful on the ice they still get very good crowds going to see them.
They already have a £22 million sports village which opened in 2009 there and as they also have the Aberdeen Exhibiton and Conference Centre as a big concert venue any new arena would not need to be used for that regularly.
It is not unfeasable but it would be a hell of a road trip to Cardiff for fans
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 8, 2014 9:47:50 GMT
So here is a left field idea for a new EIHL team. Aberdeen. Apparently a new arena is being built by a billionaire at the beach area up there which is going to be 6,000/7,000 capacity and they have already put a tender in to join the Elite league in two years time. As money is no object they will be able to throw it at anybody to come and play for them in the first instance so that they get it established. They would have no problems with sponsorship up there. Even though the SNL Lynx haven't been very successful on the ice they still get very good crowds going to see them. They already have a £22 million sports village which opened in 2009 there and as they also have the Aberdeen Exhibiton and Conference Centre as a big concert venue any new arena would not need to be used for that regularly. It is not unfeasable but it would be a hell of a road trip to Cardiff for fans Any links for this new arena being built? Aberdeen were very close to putting a team into the ISL after getting a huge sponsorship deal from an oil company up there. The only sticking point was the politics around the rink usage which unfortunately put a stop to it. The current team although not hugely successful do have a very healthy following. This would be very interesting and would balance the conferences up perfectly were the new London team to join at the same time.
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Post by spik on Apr 8, 2014 10:57:32 GMT
So here is a left field idea for a new EIHL team. Aberdeen. Apparently a new arena is being built by a billionaire at the beach area up there which is going to be 6,000/7,000 capacity and they have already put a tender in to join the Elite league in two years time. As money is no object they will be able to throw it at anybody to come and play for them in the first instance so that they get it established. They would have no problems with sponsorship up there. Even though the SNL Lynx haven't been very successful on the ice they still get very good crowds going to see them. They already have a £22 million sports village which opened in 2009 there and as they also have the Aberdeen Exhibiton and Conference Centre as a big concert venue any new arena would not need to be used for that regularly. It is not unfeasable but it would be a hell of a road trip to Cardiff for fans Great news bar the distance. We have to employ conference systems to aid less financial teams to 'keep up' with the arenas.But this one seems a bit far off I believe to be achievable, which is a pity.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 8, 2014 11:46:51 GMT
So here is a left field idea for a new EIHL team. Aberdeen. Apparently a new arena is being built by a billionaire at the beach area up there which is going to be 6,000/7,000 capacity and they have already put a tender in to join the Elite league in two years time. As money is no object they will be able to throw it at anybody to come and play for them in the first instance so that they get it established. They would have no problems with sponsorship up there. Even though the SNL Lynx haven't been very successful on the ice they still get very good crowds going to see them. They already have a £22 million sports village which opened in 2009 there and as they also have the Aberdeen Exhibiton and Conference Centre as a big concert venue any new arena would not need to be used for that regularly. It is not unfeasable but it would be a hell of a road trip to Cardiff for fans Great news bar the distance. We have to employ conference systems to aid less financial teams to 'keep up' with the arenas.But this one seems a bit far off I believe to be achievable, which is a pity. A few years ago we were expecting Edinburgh to travel to Basingstoke and visa versa several times a season. What's the difference now? With the conference formal surely it's even more realistic.
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Post by spik on Apr 8, 2014 15:54:20 GMT
I suppose any difference in asking teams to travel a distance now is that there is more discussion towards making it easier for some teams. But hearing that we 'may 'revert back to 54 game schedule I am even more confused. We will have to wait and see what materialises.
Too add.....I recall Southampton in 84-85 going to Scotland - phew. In the 90's onwards Bracknell/Basingstoke/London all had to trek up north (and same for those coming down of course)...2003 we only had a five team league with again both Basingstoke and Bracknell having long journeys., and between 2006 to 2010 both Basingstoke and Edinburgh always finished in the bottom four to add to the hard season.
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