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Post by sameagain on Nov 6, 2013 8:13:40 GMT
Oh gear Corey's got it wrong again.
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Post by tootootrain on Nov 6, 2013 8:29:30 GMT
Dontchaknow a fight card is the only thing that matters in MMA? Oh hang on, he is an ice hockey player right?
The concept of a 'no nonsense' d-man who is disciplined enough not to get drawn into brawling is obviously foreign to some, yet there are many examples. There is a reason why the majority of 'fighters' play as forwards, can anyone work out what it is?
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Post by bobness on Nov 6, 2013 8:36:39 GMT
Zuk knows he's soft because he's seen him play loads, I bet.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 6, 2013 10:29:45 GMT
Zuk knows he's soft because he's seen him play loads, I bet. That kinda works both ways Bob. I'd never even heard of him before
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Post by bobness on Nov 6, 2013 12:00:52 GMT
Zuk knows he's soft because he's seen him play loads, I bet. That kinda works both ways Bob. I'd never even heard of him before Me neither! Finnish D aren't plentiful in the EIHL are they?
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Post by johnbluebeam on Nov 6, 2013 12:32:12 GMT
If he brings as much to the team as Sami did for us and Dundee, I don't think there will be too many complaints.
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Post by johnbluebeam on Nov 6, 2013 12:32:23 GMT
If he brings as much to the team as Sami did for us and Dundee, I don't think there will be too many complaints.
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Post by 5+game on Nov 6, 2013 12:41:43 GMT
Good signing as we need some injury cover on D. Can't understand of all this talk about how "no nonsense" this guy is going to be. He is as soft as they come. Couldn't give a toss how soft he is as long as he stops the puck going in the back of the net.
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Nov 6, 2013 12:47:20 GMT
I said he is a good signing. I never mentioned anything about his fight card. I saw his stats from last season finishing the year with 30 pims playing in Italy. He will be a good skater who moves the puck well not this nasty, monster d man pretty much the whole of page 1 is claiming he will be. Oh well, least when I post if gives James the chance to continue his run of cage forum douchebaggery.
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 6, 2013 12:47:46 GMT
Good signing as we need some injury cover on D. Can't understand of all this talk about how "no nonsense" this guy is going to be. He is as soft as they come. Couldn't give a toss how soft he is as long as he stops the puck going in the back of the net. Indeed. If someone who is 6'2, 16 stone and fights people like Matt Nickerson is "soft as they come" what does that make the rest of us?
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Post by ted logan on Nov 6, 2013 13:38:52 GMT
I said he is a good signing. I never mentioned anything about his fight card. I saw his stats from last season finishing the year with 30 pims playing in Italy. He will be a good skater who moves the puck well not this nasty, monster d man pretty much the whole of page 1 is claiming he will be. Oh well, least when I post if gives James the chance to continue his run of cage forum douchebaggery. Nobody on page 1 (or 2 for that matter) used the terms 'nasty' or 'monster' though. You seem to have decided that he is 'as soft as they come' based on what? Only 30 pims in Italy last season? You must surely have checked his fight card? I have as have others on here and none of us have the pugilistic interest that you clearly have. As others have said, who cares how soft he apparently is, help to keep the puck out of the net and we'll be happy. The last Euro dman we picked up midseason was Angel Nikolov. He wasn't known for his toughness but was a quality player. If this guy is anywhere near as good as Angel then happy days.
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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Nov 6, 2013 13:42:42 GMT
I said he is a good signing. I never mentioned anything about his fight card. I saw his stats from last season finishing the year with 30 pims playing in Italy. He will be a good skater who moves the puck well not this nasty, monster d man pretty much the whole of page 1 is claiming he will be. Oh well, least when I post if gives James the chance to continue his run of cage forum douchebaggery. 30 minutes in pims is not bad if you get chucked out of the game for fighting in Europe.
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Post by bobness on Nov 6, 2013 13:53:36 GMT
I said he is a good signing. I never mentioned anything about his fight card. I saw his stats from last season finishing the year with 30 pims playing in Italy. He will be a good skater who moves the puck well not this nasty, monster d man pretty much the whole of page 1 is claiming he will be. Oh well, least when I post if gives James the chance to continue his run of cage forum douchebaggery. Personal digs aside... So how do you know he's "soft"? Is it not possible that he's a hard , but clean, hitter, who doesn't take silly penalties and knows when to keep his mouth shut? Thus avoiding a large PIMs count? Is that not just possible? Now I don't know either, because I don't know the first thing about him, so I don't have much of an opinion at all yet, but to dismiss him as "soft" is as bad as claiming he's a "monster", being as it is based on a few numbers that often tell very little, and probably some totally unbiased words of wisdom from the wider interweb. He'll be a good skater almost certainly, agreed, but with that much Finnish top league experience, that's not much of a stretch is it? I suspect, with over 500 Liiga games, and only 30-ish assists, that he's nowhere near as offensive as Anderson. But I don't know.
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Post by pantherdman on Nov 6, 2013 21:47:20 GMT
Good signing.
I'm sure he'll be hard as nails...... As long as he's standing next to Henley.
In all seriousness, I don't want him fighting, he's a euro d man, but it is about balance. Toughness is as important as skill to a team, that's what makes hockey great, take away either and you are lost.
If he had skills and was as tough as they come he wouldn't be in this league, he'd be much higher.
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Post by Shorty on Nov 6, 2013 23:07:09 GMT
Good signing. In all seriousness, I don't want him fighting, he's a euro d man, but it is about balance. Toughness is as important as skill to a team, that's what makes hockey great, take away either and you are lost. If he had skills and was as tough as they come he wouldn't be in this league, he'd be much higher. Have you been drinking? A sensible post!
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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 7, 2013 18:02:41 GMT
If he brings as much to the team as Sami did for us and Dundee, I don't think there will be too many complaints. Except possibly from his teammates! ....nobody else remember AJ Maclean's tweet when he heard Sami wasn't being re-signed by Dundee: "i think i speak for everyone when i say....WORST TEAMMATE EVER. Great move hutchy" Neilson in the post put down not having re-signed Sami as being due to his agent's 'not having helped matters' (paraphrasing)...hmmmm...when i then saw Aj's tweet the following year i began to wonder if this explanations wasn't just the classy side of neilson's diplomacy? After all, we know neilson is all about how people work in the locker room as a unit. Not saying Aj's comment can be definitive but 23 teams since 1999 is a lot of bouncing around - with a season and a half being the longest Sami's stayed anywhere. It's also worth noting Sami signed for Innsbruck as one of his three teams in 07/08 but was released without being iced in a game. And when he left us he actually didn't initially sign for Dundee but signed for Djion. But was again released without ever setting foot on the ice in a game and was only then signed by Dundee. It's not definitive but it is certainly a worrying pattern if nothing less...especially in light of Aj's less than diplomatic comment In light if that i'd say Tuuka is the desirable opposite: just the kind of reliable, steady player that teams want to keep around and that we know Neilson values. A step up therefore from a Sami type player perhaps when your building a winning side?
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Post by OwenB on Nov 7, 2013 18:09:55 GMT
If he brings as much to the team as Sami did for us and Dundee, I don't think there will be too many complaints. Except possibly from his teammates! ....nobody else remember AJ Maclean's tweet when he heard Sami wasn't being re-signed by Dundee: "i think i speak for everyone when i say....WORST TEAMMATE EVER. Great move hutchy" Neilson in the post put down not having re-signed Sami as being due to his agent's 'not having helped matters' (paraphrasing)...hmmmm...when i then saw Aj's tweet the following year i began to wonder if this explanations wasn't just the classy side of neilson's diplomacy? After all, we know neilson is all about how people work in the locker room as a unit. Not saying Aj's comment can be definitive but 23 teams since 1999 is a lot of bouncing around - with a season and a half being the longest Sami's stayed anywhere. It's also worth noting Sami signed for Innsbruck as one of his three teams in 07/08 but was released without being iced in a game. And when he left us he actually didn't initially sign for Dundee but signed for Djion. But was again released without ever setting foot on the ice in a game and was only then signed by Dundee. It's not definitive but it is certainly a worrying pattern if nothing less...especially in light of Aj's less than diplomatic comment In light if that i'd say Tuuka is the desirable opposite: just the kind of reliable, steady player that teams want to keep around and that we know Neilson values. A step up therefore from a Sami type player perhaps when your building a winning side? In Sami's defence - he and the Panthers were quite a way apart in terms of wages, which is one of the reasons he didn't return. From speaking to him, there were issues with his family and the language barrier in France. No idea what happened in Dundee !
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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 7, 2013 18:29:38 GMT
I said he is a good signing. I never mentioned anything about his fight card. I saw his stats from last season finishing the year with 30 pims playing in Italy. He will be a good skater who moves the puck well not this nasty, monster d man pretty much the whole of page 1 is claiming he will be. Oh well, least when I post if gives James the chance to continue his run of cage forum douchebaggery. That's the think about stats, they can be used most ways and only really reflect how you're being asked to play. Virtually no penalties last year versus being the 4th most penalised player in the Liiga in 07/08 (ahead of Matt Nickerson) and 11th most penalised in 08/09. A more complete picture looking at his overall stats might have given a different interpretation? rather than '30 last year = soft'? Bob Wren has recorded only 10 Pims this season so far. Does that make him 'soft'? Or does that just make him the same player capable of being the 5th most penalised player in the Austrian league in 06/07 (172Pims or six times his current per game average) playing a different role on a different team in a different league. just a thought. Lynn Lyons has yet to record a single penalty minute this year..... not sure i'll be calling him out any time soon though
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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 7, 2013 18:42:17 GMT
Except possibly from his teammates! ....nobody else remember AJ Maclean's tweet when he heard Sami wasn't being re-signed by Dundee: "i think i speak for everyone when i say....WORST TEAMMATE EVER. Great move hutchy" Neilson in the post put down not having re-signed Sami as being due to his agent's 'not having helped matters' (paraphrasing)...hmmmm...when i then saw Aj's tweet the following year i began to wonder if this explanations wasn't just the classy side of neilson's diplomacy? After all, we know neilson is all about how people work in the locker room as a unit. Not saying Aj's comment can be definitive but 23 teams since 1999 is a lot of bouncing around - with a season and a half being the longest Sami's stayed anywhere. It's also worth noting Sami signed for Innsbruck as one of his three teams in 07/08 but was released without being iced in a game. And when he left us he actually didn't initially sign for Dundee but signed for Djion. But was again released without ever setting foot on the ice in a game and was only then signed by Dundee. It's not definitive but it is certainly a worrying pattern if nothing less...especially in light of Aj's less than diplomatic comment In light if that i'd say Tuuka is the desirable opposite: just the kind of reliable, steady player that teams want to keep around and that we know Neilson values. A step up therefore from a Sami type player perhaps when your building a winning side? In Sami's defence - he and the Panthers were quite a way apart in terms of wages, which is one of the reasons he didn't return. From speaking to him, there were issues with his family and the language barrier in France. No idea what happened in Dundee ! Thanks for that post. Wasn't attacking Sami just acknowledging that cumulatively it give the 'impression' (and perhaps just that) of a worrying pattern: especially two teams that you never ice for etc. But then as i mentioned in another post above Stats only ever tell half the story, especially in isolation.was trying to look at the bigger picture and that's where the pattern struck me (especially after Aj's comment, but happy to acknowledge personality clashes happen everywhere) No doubt from his time with us that Sami was clearly a highly skilled player but it seems that he obviously didn't endear himself to some of his Dundee teammates at least. All together it made me worry it felt a bit 'marek ivan' - loved by the fans but possibly not always the easiest person to have as a teammate. But then competitive professional players are like regular human beings - we're not always going to like everyone and so as a coach you have to get the right balance: a skill Corey seems to have honed even when it means parting ways with very successful point scorers like Jade, or Dmen Like Danny in favor of trying to create a more cohesive whole. That was my point in the post about Tuuka as well. it's about how he'll slot in and what he brings cumulatively. Nobody was delighted when we signed Mike Rees, from Corpus Christi, but think we'd all have given a right arm to stop him retiring and have that kind of solid reliable Dman patrolling the blue lines the following year Simply because with him there doing his thing quietly all kinds of other attacks and counterattacks were possible. A case of the sum of the parts being greater than any individual piece (like last years team for instance)
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Nov 10, 2013 7:41:29 GMT
Looks like I was pretty wrong about this guy.
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Post by pantherdman on Nov 10, 2013 14:58:53 GMT
He ended the fight with one punch, what more do you want? lol! Lee has to get an instigator, now were another Brit down for tonight ?
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