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Post by tessier26 on Aug 31, 2012 6:29:47 GMT
I'll bet diamonds that the club have managed to bank all the season ticket money with no delays. Personally speaking the Panthers don't seem to be hitting the ground running. The double bloody double isn't a League Title so please stop ramming it down our throats. Banging on about it doesn't cover up sloppy administration. I was going to attend at least one of this weekend's games but I'm not wasting good money to watch half a team. I would also have probably given it a miss if i knew so many imports would be missing, its going to be challenging enough playing them without being down a few bodies!
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Post by goon37 on Aug 31, 2012 6:36:34 GMT
www.peterboroughphantoms.com/?p=1206Don't worry - replacements are arriving... Seriously, while they are not the imports Panthers fans expect (and should be watching), if this helps them get Luke Ferrara in a year or two, it will be worth it - going to be a star. And remember the name Lewis Hook as well. You will be hearing a lot about him in a few years time, if what I have been told about his ability is true...
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Post by lee on Aug 31, 2012 7:29:46 GMT
www.peterboroughphantoms.com/?p=1206Don't worry - replacements are arriving... Seriously, while they are not the imports Panthers fans expect (and should be watching), if this helps them get Luke Ferrara in a year or two, it will be worth it - going to be a star. And remember the name Lewis Hook as well. You will be hearing a lot about him in a few years time, if what I have been told about his ability is true... just what everyone paid to see, a prospects game...
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Post by pantherman66 on Aug 31, 2012 9:20:13 GMT
If you don't like what is on offer don't go.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 31, 2012 9:20:55 GMT
If you don't like what is on offer don't go. Are the tickets refundable?
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Post by panthersdave on Aug 31, 2012 9:23:27 GMT
If you don't like what is on offer don't go. I think if people boght tickets expecting to see a full roster then to be told that some kids will be making up the numbers, I expect some people will be disappointed with that
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Post by panthermatt on Aug 31, 2012 9:29:22 GMT
To be honest I am just looking forwards to watching some hockey again after having none through the summer surely that is the most important thing for this weekend
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 31, 2012 9:32:50 GMT
To be honest I am just looking forwards to watching some hockey again after having none through the summer surely that is the most important thing for this weekend No, the important thing was to get the roster together to play a couple of games against decent opposition and to work on lines and partnerships so that we are READY for the start of the season.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 31, 2012 9:33:21 GMT
If you don't like what is on offer don't go. Are the tickets refundable?
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Post by lee on Aug 31, 2012 11:28:17 GMT
If you don't like what is on offer don't go. luckily i have that option, having not bought a ticket, others however who bought tickets expecting this all important massive spectacle of a warm up game as billed by the Panthers do not...
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Post by pantherman66 on Aug 31, 2012 11:32:29 GMT
If you have bought tickets in advance, then I would assume that would be because you were keen to see some hockey (as you can still get discounted tickets). If you bought the tickets purely to see the new guys, of which four will be on show, how many new players would it take for you to turn up and give your support. Or are you just happy to use the situation to have a 'pop' at the club. And yes I am disappointed that all the guys are not in, but until I see hard evidence that it is down to the club being at fault, I feel it is unfair to pass judgement.
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Post by lee on Aug 31, 2012 12:01:46 GMT
you can't assume the reasons behind people buying tickets just to suite your side of the argument. you may be right, but i'll bet at the same time, some bought tickets off the back of the club "spin" as to how good this game would be and seeing all the team... and those people will now witness something different, same goes for those who bought tickets for the Dundee game, accroding the press the other imports are "hopeful" they will be here in time, its laughable.
i wouldn't turn up even if all the players were here, i'm not interested in a warm up game.
i can wait another 2 weeks to see hockey, when we play belfast. i've waited 5 months, whats another two weeks?
doesn't make someone more or less of a supporter just because they go to a warm up game featuring a bunch of kids and half a team.
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Post by BigLad on Aug 31, 2012 12:06:38 GMT
I bought a ticket for Saturday's game coz it was sold as being a exciting and entertaining game. I did not expect that "competative" meant us to be playing with half a team.
It's a farce. And another FU by Panthers org in a ling list this summer.
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Post by glenngiant on Aug 31, 2012 13:26:44 GMT
Giants have all 11 imports in town and playing tomorrow night, Mathesion our last signing arrived yesterday.
In an interview given to KOTG DC has said he's impressed with what he's seen with a few players already standing out in training, he's qouted as calling the Panthers 'terrifying' with excellent forwards and great goaltending. He also says he's glad the Giants have 2 one weekend games leading up to the Panthers double header on Sept 15/16 so plenty of time to train and prepare.
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Post by tessier26 on Aug 31, 2012 14:44:01 GMT
Giants have all 11 imports in town and playing tomorrow night, Mathesion our last signing arrived yesterday. In an interview given to KOTG DC has said he's impressed with what he's seen with a few players already standing out in training, he's qouted as calling the Panthers 'terrifying' with excellent forwards and great goaltending. He also says he's glad the Giants have 2 one weekend games leading up to the Panthers double header on Sept 15/16 so plenty of time to train and prepare. Its amazing what you can do when you send the paperwork off in time and are willing to pay a week or 2 extra wages to get your team ready for the league is'nt it? Well done to the Giants, atleast they will have played competitively together as a full team before the league starts!
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Post by cooperphil156 on Aug 31, 2012 20:41:55 GMT
Pantherdman I would have gone to the games anyway. I bought an advanced ticket to see Forest v Villa, which cost me £5. If its a full Panthers team v a class Italian team yes £14 (as agr concession) is OK. If we are playing a lot of our second string with half the imports this is not what I have paid for. The role of GM in this is not good. As I have said the paralympics could be seen coming and actions to get the visas sorted out should have been actioned much earlier. Has GM been at the helm when it mattered? - to us fans?
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Post by Higgy on Aug 31, 2012 22:02:39 GMT
I brought my tickets to see us play a European team i've never seen before...whether we have 7 or 10 imports im not that bothered as 1) it's only a friendly and 2) I get to see a different team i'll probably never see again.
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Post by Mark Mac on Aug 31, 2012 22:45:14 GMT
I brought my tickets to see us play a European team i've never seen before...whether we have 7 or 10 imports im not that bothered as 1) it's only a friendly and 2) I get to see a different team i'll probably never see again. How dare you not be outraged by this! The entire season obviously rests on this one pre-season event! In all seriousness, I'm going for the same reason. Well, that and I just want to watch some ice hockey.
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 1, 2012 6:53:10 GMT
Oh? Who's said you're "not a real fan"? Negative, yes... but when you're constantly slagging off the club (and accusing fans of being "happy to accept mediocrity" if they don't slag off the club!) then that's a pretty fair comment... You may think that you "see the truth"... but that's just your opinion, and it's no more valid than anyone else's. Many will disagree with you... doesn't make them wrong. It just seems to me Shaggy that most fans just accept how things are with the club. And it seems to me that there is a very vocal minority who accept nothing that the club do, view everything they do with hostility, and will complain about everything. Think we need more of a middle ground here (I've been saying that a lot lately, but it's frequently the best way). Would they? They certainly seem to have listened to what's been said on a few subjects (the whole 27th ST game thing being a recent example)... but they don't seem to listen on every subject. And simply listening is a far cry from actually doing something. Here's a thought... maybe none of us have got it right yet with our opinions. Who knows...? As for "opinions need to be acted upon" - all very well, but which ones? Yours? Mine? Someone else's? There are so many opinions, after all. Can't act on them all. It just seems to me that there's a sub-culture here of hostility towards the Panthers and also towards anyone who isn't also completely hostile to the Panthers. The kind of sub-culture that has frequently branded anyone disagreeing with it as "happy clappers" or some other insult. Nobody is saying "believe everything the Panthers tell you" - that's ridiculous. But IMHO it's equally ridiculous to believe nothing they say, criticise everything they do. Which is what some people on here appear to do. (I can feel that old middle ground thing rearing its head again... ).
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Post by lee on Sept 1, 2012 7:21:39 GMT
Shaggy your such a "happy clapper" Enjoy the game those that are going, I'm sure all those negative posters (myself included) will be keen to read how it goes
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Post by pantherdman on Sept 1, 2012 9:20:58 GMT
I hope its a good game tbh, i hope we win every game and cruise the league. All im trying to say is we havent given ourselves the best start and we never seem to learn from our mistakes.
I am going to the game and i will clap happily.
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Post by tessier26 on Sept 1, 2012 9:37:45 GMT
It just seems to me Shaggy that most fans just accept how things are with the club. And it seems to me that there is a very vocal minority who accept nothing that the club do, view everything they do with hostility, and will complain about everything. Think we need more of a middle ground here (I've been saying that a lot lately, but it's frequently the best way). Would they? They certainly seem to have listened to what's been said on a few subjects (the whole 27th ST game thing being a recent example)... but they don't seem to listen on every subject. And simply listening is a far cry from actually doing something. Here's a thought... maybe none of us have got it right yet with our opinions. Who knows...? As for "opinions need to be acted upon" - all very well, but which ones? Yours? Mine? Someone else's? There are so many opinions, after all. Can't act on them all. It just seems to me that there's a sub-culture here of hostility towards the Panthers and also towards anyone who isn't also completely hostile to the Panthers. The kind of sub-culture that has frequently branded anyone disagreeing with it as "happy clappers" or some other insult. Nobody is saying "believe everything the Panthers tell you" - that's ridiculous. But IMHO it's equally ridiculous to believe nothing they say, criticise everything they do. Which is what some people on here appear to do. (I can feel that old middle ground thing rearing its head again... ). I don't have a problem with everything the club does Shaggy, i will only post about something if im unhappy with it. If its all good theres no need for me to express opinion. Regarding the club listening to us fans, if more issues/complaints were raised with them, they would have to start changing how they operate. If its just a few disgruntled fans they won't listen.
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Post by asbo26 on Sept 1, 2012 10:32:13 GMT
They will only change how they operate when crowd numbers drop. And that is very unlikely The Panthers cash machine rolls on.
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Post by ilikebeans on Sept 1, 2012 10:53:40 GMT
What a complete joke this is!!...words can't describe how outraged I am by this!!
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 1, 2012 10:53:51 GMT
I don't have a problem with everything the club does Shaggy, i will only post about something if im unhappy with it. If its all good theres no need for me to express opinion. Regarding the club listening to us fans, if more issues/complaints were raised with them, they would have to start changing how they operate. If its just a few disgruntled fans they won't listen. The trouble is, most of the complaints are made by a very small but very vocal minority - most of whom only ever seem to complain, nothing else. And anyone who challenges their view tends to get branded a "happy clapper" or "club apologist", regardless of whether that person has also criticised the club on other matters. Take this whole visas argument, for one. Apparently this is a dastardly plan by the Panthers to save a few hundred quid - after all, other teams such as Sheffield, Fife and Belfast have got all their players, so it must be the Panthers' fault, mustn't it? Except that teams like Cardiff, Hull, Braehead and Dundee have also had players delayed by visa issues. But it's little facts like that which get dismissed by this vocal minority because it doesn't fit their prejudices. Let's face it... if you look hard enough for some blame, you're going to see some - whether it truly exists or not. People will always prefer to believe something that suits their pre-existing agenda or prejudices over something that doesn't. It's human nature. Doesn't make it right. The Panthers are far from perfect, they make screw-ups, bad decisions, have bad attitudes, etc - just like everyone else (thee and me included). But just as they're not always right, they're not always wrong either. Oh hell, we're getting back to that whole middle ground point again...
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