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Post by james1977 on Mar 27, 2013 9:08:14 GMT
......it no doubt effects the outcome of games and performance. Something of which the paying fans should not tolerate. I'm sure you feel the same about alcohol right? There is, after all, scientific evidence available freely and easily on the web that links even small (legal to drive) amounts of alcohol consumption and a marked decrease in sports performance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 10:25:45 GMT
Rubbish , he's admitted to taking illegal substances . If it was a cold remedy he'd fight it to the bitter end .
Jeeze some people put others on a pedestal and will argue blue is red if it stops them seeing the bad in someone .
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Post by Yotes on Mar 27, 2013 10:45:34 GMT
Dreadface's post did mention Domish specifcally, but didn't make reference to an illegal substance, if you actually read it. Thinly veiled as it may be.
Posters should all be aware that your posts are your posts, and wherever they take you that'll be your problem, so think before you post.
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Post by james1977 on Mar 27, 2013 10:49:32 GMT
Rubbish , he's admitted to taking illegal substances . If it was a cold remedy he'd fight it to the bitter end . Jeeze some people put others on a pedestal and will argue blue is red if it stops them seeing the bad in someone . Read all of what I put. One poster commented that they've seen 'players' doing stuff and other posters are jumping on that comment and linking it to Domish. That is the 'legal issue'. An assumption is being made that what one poster says he has seen is the same as the 'illegal' substance you say Domish has admitted to using. I'm not saying Domish is an angel and I'm not putting him up on a pedestal refusing to see bad in him. What I'm doing is commenting on the legal implications of assumptions made on public forums. The last bit about cold remedies etc is for information. Professional sports persons run to different rules than us. Indeed in some sports alcohol is a banned substance (imagine that! ) and detection of any in a sample could lead to a ban. Of further note, some otc medicines available in NA are illegal over here. Not saying this is what Domish is alleged to have admitted to using, just more info for the pot.
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Post by sambo79 on Mar 27, 2013 10:56:58 GMT
I wasn't picking out one post over the others for any particular reason as there are a few on here from people saying they 'know' or have 'seen' players doing all sorts of things. I couldn't care less who gets banned for what but what I do care about is all the people across the world who are brutally murdered as a result of the trade in the substances being suggested on here. Anyone that has 'seen' or 'knows' that players or others have taken illegal substances and not reported the offence has just as much blood on theirs hands as those committing the offence.
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Post by sambo79 on Mar 27, 2013 10:57:51 GMT
Just say 'no'.
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Post by james1977 on Mar 27, 2013 11:14:03 GMT
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Post by Ian on Mar 28, 2013 8:08:22 GMT
While I can't comment on numbers, I tend to agree with what Abi is suggesting here. When all said and done, hockey players are young men, many of them single, who have a decent income and lots of time on their hands. Take a bunch of any young men in society in those circumstances and I would argue that a sizeable proportion would have tried illegal substances on the odd occasion, some even more regularly, and some will probably be habitual users. Not sure why people think this is a ridiculous statement just because they are hockey players. Certainly I have experienced players "out of it" on far more than just drink at fan nights in the past, no reason to think things are different now, especially as recreational drug use is so widespread in society as a whole.
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Post by mouth on Mar 28, 2013 13:20:42 GMT
Was Theo clean during his Giant time?
I personally know of at least four players that have featured in the top flight (going over a few years here) who have been known to have a bit of something extra at the weekend, even going back to teenage years. I won't be drawn on details and to be honest you probably wouldn't be surprised who. None are current, at least in EIHL terms.
I can't condone it but as Ian says it is a fact of life that people have certain vices in life. There's no reason to believe that professional sportsmen are excepted from this. Cov's press release seems to suggest recreational use (street drugs such as cocaine, speed etc) rather than performance enhancing type stuff such as steroids or growth hormones. A fellow competitor would find that a lot easier to stomach.
I suspect that the EIHL would be keen to avoid blanket testing, and I believe that the clubs aren't actually allowed to conduct their own tests.
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Post by Doughnut on Mar 28, 2013 14:15:56 GMT
Interesting that most seem to assume that the banned substance in question was recreational rather than performance enhancing. Even assuming that the two are mutually exclusive, it could easily have been either.
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Post by Doughnut on Mar 28, 2013 15:36:40 GMT
I think if they knew it was performance enhancing another athlete would be more annoyed. Or at least pretend to be
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Post by Admin on Mar 28, 2013 15:59:56 GMT
This thread warrants a(nother) brief reminder of the golden rule at the top of the forum rule sheet: I've removed a few posts on this thread and edited a few others that were quoting them as I considered some of the comments to be potentially libellous. Note the word 'potentially', the comments may have been true but that's not the point. The point is that I don't want to incur legal fees and I don't suppose you do either. The Independent Publisher offer the following on potentially libellous material: Whilst its true that the above came from an American website written using American spelling and based on the laws in the US, the above still applies here. To say that you saw someone sniffing powder is potentially libellous. If you can't prove you saw them sniffing powder then you wouldn't stand much chance in a court case. Even if you did win a court case it'd cost you a lot of money, so probably isn't worth it.
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Post by abi on Mar 28, 2013 22:52:14 GMT
Let this be a lesson of consequences. You do bad stuff, you get caught, this is the consequence.
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Post by notts on Apr 1, 2013 16:30:44 GMT
It's funny, some people I know are aware of what they're talking about in here. Others clearly do not. Illegal yes but it's hardly the crime of the century, inside or outside of hockey. Maybe some fans should open their eyes a little at playoffs this year..
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Post by abi on Apr 1, 2013 18:18:18 GMT
It's funny, some people I know are aware of what they're talking about in here. Others clearly do not. Illegal yes but it's hardly the crime of the century, inside or outside of hockey. Maybe some fans should open their eyes a little at playoffs this year..Here's what they would learn: 1) Players who are not playing are only there to party. Quite a few of them will be on more than just alcohol 2) Players whose teams are knocked out on the saturday and they stay the whole weekend - see 1)
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Post by Penaltybox on Apr 1, 2013 19:41:18 GMT
It's funny, some people I know are aware of what they're talking about in here. Others clearly do not. Illegal yes but it's hardly the crime of the century, inside or outside of hockey. Maybe some fans should open their eyes a little at playoffs this year..Here's what they would learn: 1) Players who are not playing are only there to party. Quite a few of them will be on more than just alcohol 2) Players whose teams are knocked out on the saturday and they stay the whole weekend - see 1) Of course they will stay the weekend, as all 4 teams will play on Sunday.
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Post by abi on Apr 2, 2013 11:39:37 GMT
Here's what they would learn: 1) Players who are not playing are only there to party. Quite a few of them will be on more than just alcohol 2) Players whose teams are knocked out on the saturday and they stay the whole weekend - see 1) Of course they will stay the weekend, as all 4 teams will play on Sunday. Missed that development i think. Or just forgot about it. Can't see that being a popular one with the players.
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 2, 2013 12:10:55 GMT
Of course they will stay the weekend, as all 4 teams will play on Sunday. Missed that development i think. Or just forgot about it. Can't see that being a popular one with the players. Or the fans....
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Post by kezypanther on Apr 2, 2013 12:32:35 GMT
I'm looking forward to it. Beats just an award show anyway.
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 2, 2013 12:45:39 GMT
I'm looking forward to it. Beats just an award show anyway. I preferred watching the youngsters from England and Scotland having a proper match than a load of hungover, uninterested imports messing about but each to their own i suppose.
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Post by abi on Apr 2, 2013 12:46:47 GMT
Missed that development i think. Or just forgot about it. Can't see that being a popular one with the players. Or the fans.... I'd rather see an England/Scotland u20s game (though appreciate the issues of players being at various playoff weekends or league fixtures - if all the leagues in this country ran under one umbrella organisation, these kinks could be ironed out) Or a skills tournament, like at the NHL all-star weekend? Best non-qualifying players from each conference in a Gardiner vs Ernhardt competition? Except this would mean making it so that the semifinalists cant be all from the same conference like this year...
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Post by james1977 on Apr 2, 2013 13:43:51 GMT
Except this would mean making it so that the semifinalists cant be all from the same conference like this year... So are you suggesting some sort of rule change so that the play off final weekend doesn't feature purely the best teams in the league? The 'other' conference had a chance to get through to the POFW, indeed the top placed Gardiner team was seeded to play the worst Erhardt team, yet still they floundered, what more do you want? Top two Gardiner vs Erhardt at the POFW, with the exciting prospect of cricket scores being run up at the league's only live televised event?
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Post by kezypanther on Apr 2, 2013 14:06:28 GMT
I'm looking forward to it. Beats just an award show anyway. I preferred watching the youngsters from England and Scotland having a proper match than a load of hungover, uninterested imports messing about but each to their own i suppose. Yh I said it beats an award show not the Brit game. I too agree that an U20 team would/could be better but they are already playing away at the minute aren't they ?
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