5+game
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Post by 5+game on Sept 19, 2012 9:07:31 GMT
the only player that are likely to come to this league are the so called role players/4th line grinder type.
Do you really think the Penguins or Caps are going to let their prized assets like Crosby, Malkin and Ovi come to a bush league like this one.
Hell alot of NHL contracts have clauses in then to say that they cant ride motor bikes or take part in certain other activities to limit the chance of injury.
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Post by bill238 on Sept 19, 2012 11:19:50 GMT
Apparently the players association are going to cover the players insurance. That could change things. They still aren't going to cover the cost of insurance of the contract which is the main thing
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goon37
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Post by goon37 on Sept 19, 2012 12:00:04 GMT
If NHLer's came here in 2004, I don't see much of a reason why they wouldn't come again. Not in swathes, granted, but perhaps a couple of younger rookies who got their first call-ups last season. It'll be interesting to see what unfolds in the coming weeks nonetheless! How many of those in 2004 were skill players and how many were enforcers? EIHL teams are highly unlikely to be able to land a Malkin or similar calibre, and we're more likely to end up with the tough guys of the moment. It's as much to do with the style of hockey as it is anything about differences in culture, language barrier, money etc. It would take SERIOUS pennies to attract a big name skill player to these shores, pennies the vast majority of the teams in this league could not sensibly afford. In my eyes, it's that simple. Whilst not the only stats to measure a players quality, only one player who came over in the last lockout had more points than PIMS.
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LUFC
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Post by LUFC on Sept 19, 2012 12:07:10 GMT
We're one of afew leagues in Europe that has no rules on how many NHL contracted players we can sign. The rest of Europe after the 2004 lockout actually put in rules on this. Germany, KHL and Scandinavian leagues all restrict them, just like the AHL and CHL etc in the US have Veteran limits. So there will be a gulf of players available. It's all down to if they fancy coming and playing in tiny leagues like Italy, France and the UK. And also down to clubs actually being able to splash any extra cash for some big league players.
I read a post on sports nation site yesterday about the lockout, most believe it will be over before December. Could we really risk canning players and getting NHL ones in just to lose them in afew months with very little notice?
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abi
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Post by abi on Sept 19, 2012 12:34:09 GMT
We're one of afew leagues in Europe that has no rules on how many NHL contracted players we can sign. The rest of Europe after the 2004 lockout actually put in rules on this. Germany, KHL and Scandinavian leagues all restrict them, just like the AHL and CHL etc in the US have Veteran limits. So there will be a gulf of players available. It's all down to if they fancy coming and playing in tiny leagues like Italy, France and the UK. And also down to clubs actually being able to splash any extra cash for some big league players. I read a post on sports nation site yesterday about the lockout, most believe it will be over before December. Could we really risk canning players and getting NHL ones in just to lose them in afew months with very little notice? Depends on the team, and the players they are bringing in and taking out. I didn't follow hockey in 2004, so I'm not entirely familiar with the circumstances surrounding the last lockout. If the lockout is expected to be over before christmas, put players on a 12 week visa instead of the regular full-season visa, and have replacements scouted ready for the NHLer to return home?
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Post by bill238 on Sept 19, 2012 13:32:25 GMT
We're one of afew leagues in Europe that has no rules on how many NHL contracted players we can sign. The rest of Europe after the 2004 lockout actually put in rules on this. Germany, KHL and Scandinavian leagues all restrict them, just like the AHL and CHL etc in the US have Veteran limits. So there will be a gulf of players available. It's all down to if they fancy coming and playing in tiny leagues like Italy, France and the UK. And also down to clubs actually being able to splash any extra cash for some big league players. I read a post on sports nation site yesterday about the lockout, most believe it will be over before December. Could we really risk canning players and getting NHL ones in just to lose them in afew months with very little notice? Its not quite true though. The KHL restrictions aren't very big and almost all NHL players qualify to be able to play in the KHL hence why loads of players have already gone there. In fact there is only one league in the whole of Europe that is putting proper restrictions on NHL players and that is the Eliteserien which has said players cannot sign short-term contracts and must play for the whole season. So basically if we want NHL players we are competing against everyone just like in 04/05
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Post by asbo26 on Sept 19, 2012 14:56:14 GMT
I don't know what all the excitement is all about, can't see Panthers management getting there wallets out. Near sell out against Shuff, business as usual.
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Post by texpef on Sept 19, 2012 15:17:40 GMT
yep and they havent had to spend another penny...... yet....
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LUFC
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Post by LUFC on Sept 19, 2012 16:44:35 GMT
We're one of afew leagues in Europe that has no rules on how many NHL contracted players we can sign. The rest of Europe after the 2004 lockout actually put in rules on this. Germany, KHL and Scandinavian leagues all restrict them, just like the AHL and CHL etc in the US have Veteran limits. So there will be a gulf of players available. It's all down to if they fancy coming and playing in tiny leagues like Italy, France and the UK. And also down to clubs actually being able to splash any extra cash for some big league players. I read a post on sports nation site yesterday about the lockout, most believe it will be over before December. Could we really risk canning players and getting NHL ones in just to lose them in afew months with very little notice? Its not quite true though. The KHL restrictions aren't very big and almost all NHL players qualify to be able to play in the KHL hence why loads of players have already gone there. In fact there is only one league in the whole of Europe that is putting proper restrictions on NHL players and that is the Eliteserien which has said players cannot sign short-term contracts and must play for the whole season. So basically if we want NHL players we are competing against everyone just like in 04/05 Wrong "For the 20 teams based in Russia, only one of three spots can be used on a foreigner, and that person must have played at least 150 NHL games over the past three seasons, suited up recently for his national team or won the Stanley Cup or a major individual award. The six located outside the Russian border can sign players who don't meet any of those criteria." They have very stringent rules on imports and such. The only way alot of them will get around it is, so many are Russian in the first place.
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BigLad
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Post by BigLad on Sept 19, 2012 18:29:19 GMT
You know what - sod the players, get the officials over...
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Post by pingchowchi on Sept 19, 2012 18:44:45 GMT
You know what - sod the players, get the officials over... I like this idea
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LUFC
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Post by LUFC on Sept 19, 2012 20:41:40 GMT
Agreed, i'd take the officials over here any day. Would raise the standard of hockey just with the officiating being top notch.
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Post by bill238 on Sept 19, 2012 21:01:46 GMT
Its not quite true though. The KHL restrictions aren't very big and almost all NHL players qualify to be able to play in the KHL hence why loads of players have already gone there. In fact there is only one league in the whole of Europe that is putting proper restrictions on NHL players and that is the Eliteserien which has said players cannot sign short-term contracts and must play for the whole season. So basically if we want NHL players we are competing against everyone just like in 04/05 Wrong "For the 20 teams based in Russia, only one of three spots can be used on a foreigner, and that person must have played at least 150 NHL games over the past three seasons, suited up recently for his national team or won the Stanley Cup or a major individual award. The six located outside the Russian border can sign players who don't meet any of those criteria." They have very stringent rules on imports and such. The only way alot of them will get around it is, so many are Russian in the first place. The KHL teams are signing the Russian NHL (and other nations of KHL) players of which each team is allowed to sign 3. Oveckin, Malkin, Gonchar, Kostistyn, Fedetenko, Ponikarovsky, Visnovsky, Daugavins, Kumelin, Kovalchuk, Voracek, Backstrom, Datsyuk and Bryzalov have already signed in the KHL. There will probably be another 20-30 joining the KHL. That is a hell of a lot of NHL players right there. There are no restrictions on the Swiss League, Czech League, DEL, Slovakian league, EBEL, Sm-liga or Allsvenkan. So in reality I am not really wrong at all and your original statement of 'We're one of afew leagues in Europe that has no rules on how many NHL contracted players we can sign' is almost completely untrue bar the eliteserien. P.S an example of my point about the KHL is that Metallurg Magnitogorsk have already signed Gonchar, Kulemin and Malkin
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LUFC
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Post by LUFC on Sept 19, 2012 21:32:34 GMT
Swiss, Czech and Sm-Liga all have massive import restrictions already. So they're highly unlikely to get many Canadian or American NHL players in and with the quality in those leagues already they're also unlikely to take many in and cast many players aside to take them in on short contracts. Leaving only afew out there. DEL and Slovak leagues while they dont have as many restrictions they're limited to a set amount of imports and are again unlikely to take packages on short term.
Especially when one German team has already pointed out it's costing them 28000 per month to insure the player. Thats 1 player, not even his contract but just to play him. Multiply that by the many many players and the costs will far outweigh bringing in the players.
That makes it unlikely many will end up here unless we can broker a deal and insure them league wide or something :/
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Post by jono222 on Sept 20, 2012 8:45:10 GMT
In fact there is only one league in the whole of Europe that is putting proper restrictions on NHL players and that is the Eliteserien which has said players cannot sign short-term contracts and must play for the whole season. How do they police that? What stops player having a full season contract and handing their notice in when NHL starts again? Especially when one German team has already pointed out it's costing them 28000 per month to insure the player. Thats 1 player, not even his contract but just to play him. Multiply that by the many many players and the costs will far outweigh bringing in the players. Surely insurance for a player is to cover his contract? Forgive me, I don't understand how this work?
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LUFC
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Post by LUFC on Sept 20, 2012 15:03:52 GMT
Google it, it's all over the press out there.
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alanh
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Post by alanh on Sept 21, 2012 10:23:54 GMT
someone on HF mentioned Shawn Thornton (Bruins) to Belfast where his mother was born.
35 years old with an NHL contract of $1.1m for 2 more seasons.
That's the kind of signings I'd be expecting EIHL teams to make.
Also I agree with the bring the refs over, use a 2 ref system and hopefully the NHL guys could teach our refs how to run a game.
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Post by dreadface on Sept 21, 2012 10:32:29 GMT
someone on HF mentioned Shawn Thornton (Bruins) to Belfast where his mother was born. 35 years old with an NHL contract of $1.1m for 2 more seasons. That's the kind of signings I'd be expecting EIHL teams to make. Also I agree with the bring the refs over, use a 2 ref system and hopefully the NHL guys could teach our refs how to run a game. Thornton would be a huge signing for this league and would become a major force.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 10:33:31 GMT
Hes signed in Davos (switzerland) like a lot of players have done, as the standard in the NLA is pretty good and financially suits them, quite a few players are going back to the teams they played for in 2004 as well and alot of the euro players are returning to their hometown teams. Id expect Zetterburg to suit up for Timra in sweden soon and Filpulla is signing for jokerit in the Finnish Elite league. Like i said not many if any will sign here unlike what Thommo and Keefe are waffling on about
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alanh
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Post by alanh on Sept 21, 2012 10:37:55 GMT
Joe Thornton (Sharks) signed for Davos, Shawn Thornton (Bruins) has not signed anywhere yet.
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goon37
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Post by goon37 on Sept 21, 2012 13:14:32 GMT
Thommo just tweeted that he was quoted $11,000 per month just for insurance for an NHL player from his agent. Dunno who that was for - guessing not a Crosby or Malkin if the agent was pushing UK mind - so I would guess it prices the UK out of the NHL lockout stakes.
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Post by Wolves 66 on Sept 21, 2012 13:29:43 GMT
Freddie Black (Neil's son) has just tweeted in reply- "Nottingham had 2 players who wanted to come together & was looking good until we were told insurance would cost $104,000!! #bye"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 13:44:02 GMT
and that my friends is why we won t see any players from the nhl .
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Post by puckpuck on Sept 21, 2012 13:53:46 GMT
Maybe they could put the match night magazine (back this week) up to £3.50 to cover costs?
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Gilly
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Post by Gilly on Sept 21, 2012 14:00:45 GMT
if i had 50k id happily give them 50k to pay for insurance just to see them play for my team!
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