Warren
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Post by Warren on Sept 28, 2004 11:27:55 GMT
I have now been to all but one of the competitve games (steelers last saturday ) and I have to say is there no regulations on the moarings used for the goals? In two games now (Cardif and Hull) there was blatent dislodgeing of the net by the Goaltender and nothing was called. I did notice that at the NIC there are 2-3" tubes moreing the goals to the ice and at Hull there were just what looked like plastic disks. I think a fly could have dislodged them if it ran into it. I do agree in the sense that these looser moarings will move easier in a collision so saving injury's but it was getting silly at Hull, The ref couldn't get the goal to sit right!
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MP
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Post by MP on Sept 28, 2004 11:38:15 GMT
I might be wrong about this but I think rinks that are used for public skating cannot have the deep holes in the ice that are required to use the long pegs such as we see at the NIC.
Consequently they have to use much smaller metal pins or magnets to hold the nets in place. Most of those systems dont seem to work too well and a goalie well versed in the art can fetch the net off the moorings all night long and never get penalised for it. It gets very frustrating for spectators.
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Post by heja on Sept 28, 2004 11:42:06 GMT
THe holes in the ice get filled in with water that freezes leaving no hole at all. So thats not the reason MP thats why we have the drill when ever they re- the ice.
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Post by deanyoungblood on Sept 28, 2004 11:59:47 GMT
Although it does look like the Netminder is deliberatly dislodging the net, it is very easily done so they are not allways doing it on purpose ( i say not always because as you are probably aware some netminders do or used to dislodge the net on purpose *cough Trevor Robins sp? cough*). I used to play in goal and i was only small and i had a very hard time keeping the net in the correct place as you sometimes overslide to make a save and bang the net off the moarings.
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hitchy
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Post by hitchy on Sept 28, 2004 16:37:52 GMT
We saw the same in Hull against Sheffield..
ten years on and nothing has changed there
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Post by hybridsteeler on Sept 28, 2004 16:47:02 GMT
yeah ya right there hitchy.Ladi was doing it deliberatly that night and failing him doing it, they had the back-up plan of getting a D-man to do it
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MP
Paul Adey
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Post by MP on Sept 28, 2004 23:12:11 GMT
It can get very annoying - remember Big Mac doing it for Cardiff at the Skydome every time the Blaze attacked - sliding across the goal, pad against post - Oops, sorry ref! - these moorings are useless.
He didn't get a penalty all night either.
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Warren
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Post by Warren on Sept 29, 2004 6:52:23 GMT
thank you guy's for your insight on the matter. It is just frustrating in Hull as we were alot closer to their net minder for longer (2 periods as apose to 1 when I am at home games) I suppose it's one of those things, it's your rink, you know the in's and out's of it. If we knew we could dislodge our goal and not get penolised all day I am sure Curtis would be asked to "bump into it" I am not saying he would be asked to cheat, but bend the rules.
Thanks for the spelling change MP... Would help if I had of spent some time at school to learn to spell!
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Post by carolle on Sept 29, 2004 15:35:33 GMT
TAKEN FROM THE IIHF RULE BOOK.
I would imagine Ice Thickness would have alot to do with the goal moorings also.
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Post by heja on Sept 29, 2004 15:49:19 GMT
The ice thickness i would imagine is the same (just a couple of inches if that) and those flexable pegs are the ones we use at the NIC so i can't see why hull can't use them.
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James
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Post by James on Sept 29, 2004 15:56:57 GMT
The ice thickness i would imagine is the same (just a couple of inches if that) Well a couple of inches is quite a big difference...
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Post by heja on Sept 29, 2004 16:10:11 GMT
I don't mean a couple of inches difference, i mean like the ice is just an inch thick on all rinks
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James
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Post by James on Sept 29, 2004 16:14:17 GMT
I don't mean a couple of inches difference, i mean like the ice is just an inch thick on all rinks Fair enough...
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Post by carolle on Sept 29, 2004 18:29:37 GMT
Think you will find that the olympic ice is often not as thick as the arena ice.
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Post by heja on Sept 29, 2004 20:01:07 GMT
thats probably just because the get so much use out of it though.
but it would probably only be a few mm difference between the two.
but it shouldn't matter anyway as the rubber pegs would still work.
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James
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Post by James on Sept 29, 2004 20:24:52 GMT
Should we make a thread called "Ask Tim". We have already learned how to do a succesful powerplay and learned how thick the ice is. Is there anything he does not know?
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MP
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Post by MP on Sept 29, 2004 22:15:16 GMT
There is more GB.... The ice thickness can be anywhere from 0.7" to 1.5" depending on the ice maker. Generally the thicker the ice the slower it is for skating (so I'm told) so a thickness of 0.75" to 1" is probably favourite for hockey. Thin ice is likely to be more brittle, with a risk of skates cutting through it. The thicker the ice layer becomes, the harder the refridgeration plant has to work to freeze the top layer of water as it is applied. Thick ice = expensive ice.
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Post by Bretters on Sept 30, 2004 0:58:56 GMT
Ive noticed that, the thicker the ice, the slower it is to skate on, but thicker ice feels a lot betta to skate on in my opinion. The ice at the NIC is quite thick and ive skated on the Olympic and Arena ice pads. The olympic ice does get thinner because of how much it gets used a day, but they flood the ice every so often and let it freeze back over so its back to the same thickness as before. The ice in Sheffield though is quite thin, and ive notcied that you tend to skate faster on it but dont get as much grip as the NIC ice. Maybe some rinks dont put pegs into the ice for the goals because the ice is too thin and will crack if holes are drilled into it.
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nt26ix
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Post by nt26ix on Sept 30, 2004 10:07:21 GMT
alot of the ice rinks now dont use the moorings but do have a dip in the ice were the cage sits, its been like it at our arena, sheffield and coventry this year, i dont no why tho?
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Post by heja on Sept 30, 2004 12:12:25 GMT
It hasn't been like that at the NIC this year at all, they use the rubber pegs like always, sometimes i guess they don't use them in warm up or in junior games but other than that they use them in professional games.
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Post by heja on Sept 30, 2004 12:14:06 GMT
I doubt it would crack the ice as if drill the ice cracked it skating on it would crack it too.
The sheffield ice does always look better than The NIC's though, dunno why(maybe a colder building?)
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Post by Bretters on Sept 30, 2004 14:45:19 GMT
They didnt use them for the first home game of the season against Hull, because i was sat right at the front and saw them put the goals into place and i wondered why they didnt use the pegs.
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Post by heja on Sept 30, 2004 16:58:41 GMT
are you sure that they wasn't already in the Pipes as sometimes they get left in there so they can just push them on and the pegs fall into place.
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Post by hybridsteeler on Sept 30, 2004 16:59:14 GMT
There is more GB.... The ice thickness can be anywhere from 0.7" to 1.5" depending on the ice maker. Generally the thicker the ice the slower it is for skating (so I'm told) so a thickness of 0.75" to 1" is probably favourite for hockey. Thin ice is likely to be more brittle, with a risk of skates cutting through it. The thicker the ice layer becomes, the harder the refridgeration plant has to work to freeze the top layer of water as it is applied. Thick ice = expensive ice. For anybody who cares. Here's how an ice rink works courtesy of Howstuffworks.com and the Carolina Hurricanes Click here to find out how ice rinks work
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