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Post by Pies on Dec 30, 2010 10:33:15 GMT
Whilst I agree to an extent, Zion hasnt preformed for a good couple of months now - and my head is saying he's not likely to hit a hot streak before the end of the season. I'd loved to be proved wrong. No competition for places. Putting in virtually zero effort. A shadow of the player he was a few weeks back. Yes, let's give him until March to see if he can wake himself up. Must be great for the other players who ARE putting in an effort to see him putting in the same amount of effort on his skates as Paws. Maybe some of the players should let the fans tell them how they feel - they see the sweets come on the ice and think "aww we lost but its okay the fans still give us sweets" - what they need is a dose of reality that it is not acceptable to expect people to pay alot of money to watch a team of talented people coast about for 60 mins. It makes me mad that theres players of the past who put effort in every game with alot less talent than these lot and would have given life or limb for the Panthers jersey for not alot of money and still worked a full time job. Then theres these players, get paid good money, house, car the works and cant be bothered on their 2 proper nights of work to put effort in
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Post by TjPanther on Dec 30, 2010 12:19:30 GMT
I would say i think Norton needs to go out on a 2-way! he needs some experience in the EPL for a season, i do get worried when he's on the ice (especially when him & Zion were on the same line for a bit last night)
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 30, 2010 12:24:09 GMT
We need to send the young brits to the EPL (perhaps start our own team there) and pinch the 2 top brits from the EPL and bring them here. Look at Squires for the Steelers, though he looked great.
did anyone throw sweets on last night? I left before the end?
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Post by GuinnessMan on Dec 30, 2010 19:46:43 GMT
K-wall and Lepine are must haves. Ryan and Bellamy (based on earlier games) nice to haves. Heerema - to early to take a view. Rest of imports are despensible.
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Post by Shorty on Dec 30, 2010 19:58:57 GMT
It's a strange thread to have at Christmas, given the fact that this team has performed very well in a number of games this season, and genuinely looked like contenders.
We then suffer an injury to our netminder, who at the time was the standout netminder in the league, and our much maligned GB International defenceman and captain becomes suspended and injured. At the same time our form drops and we start to lose games.
Personally, I think the two are somewhat linked, although I do agree that we have a massive issue with the lack of ideas on the powerplay, and why we constantly change our lines around baffles me.
Its way too early to start talking about changes for next season already. There are so many games left for the players to turn their season around and prove that they are good enough for this league, and good enough to play for a side that might win a championship.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Dec 30, 2010 20:26:57 GMT
Hi Shorty, Ragan has already said he wants Ben Simon at Steelers next year. At what point should the Panthers be identifying the players they want to retain for next season to make sure they aren't snatched by other teams?
Of course we aren't the decision makers, but we often put ourselves in the imaginary position of what we would do, so would you still be watching and waiting, or trying to get some commitments from some players for next season?
For me Kwall and Lepine have earned enough credit/respect to try and get them to stay already.
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Post by 5+game on Dec 30, 2010 20:46:13 GMT
Hi Shorty, Ragan has already said he wants Ben Simon at Steelers next year. At what point should the Panthers be identifying the players they want to retain for next season to make sure they aren't snatched by other teams? Of course we aren't the decision makers, but we often put ourselves in the imaginary position of what we would do, so would you still be watching and waiting, or trying to get some commitments from some players for next season? For me Kwall and Lepine have earned enough credit/respect to try and get them to stay already. The problem we have is that in order to start identifying players thet we want for next season, we need to have an idea of what the coaching situation will be which currently we dont. the only players we have that i think a coach would be happy with inheriting are Kwall, Lepine and probably Heerema oh and the brits of course, the rest of the team is going to be based on how the coach is going to want his team to play.
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Post by sambo79 on Dec 30, 2010 20:46:35 GMT
Other teams had injuries and weren't able to replace and re-recruit to the level we have but still maintained some sort of form.
The problems are much deeper than injuries. Just ask ex-players.
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Post by marshalfish on Dec 30, 2010 21:28:05 GMT
Lepine and Heerema are must keeps for me. Quality. Also Penner, far more than the knuckle-dragger that opposition fans are always on about. To say he has to go because there is no-one left to fight is crazy. That is exactly why we can play as hard as we do when he is icing.
Ryan I'd also keep if he'd just learn to release the puck. He often carries it way too long, by which time the defense has got back and his speed to the blue line has been a waste of time.
I would have said Bellamy, but is he still carrying an injury? Against the Clan he hardly seemed to complete a pass all night, with the puck being given to one of their players more often than not, and he's not checking so much. Or is that just how I see it?
Zion, now there's a conundrum. Nowhere near the player of earlier this year, but because he's injured is no reason to keep him IMO. Either he recovers fast, or bye bye. Maybe if we fitted him with one of those electric dog collars that would give him a shock when he strayed over the opposition blue line that would work, but then we would be left with just a crap defender. A puzzle indeed.
Edited for spelling
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Post by Ghost on Dec 30, 2010 22:49:03 GMT
Guys I'd get rid of
Dab on current form Levers - largely ineffective McDonald, although I thought he was decent against clan Green- not elite league standard I find Corey a difficult one because I don't think he's a bad player. Just a bad coach. Also Zion is difficult because we know he's quality. Keep him. Heerema is a keeper. As is lepine, Bellamy, k-wall and Ryan.
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Post by Cardarelli27 on Dec 31, 2010 0:08:30 GMT
K-Wall Heerema Lepine Corey (As a player) Bellamy Galbraith (If he sorts out his short temper) Penner (If the other teams sign an enforcer, if Hoffman doesn't return for Giants then Sheriff will be back)
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Post by gcmandrake on Dec 31, 2010 15:17:03 GMT
Kowalski: Keep. Best minder in the league stat-wise. Instils the players in front of him with confidence. Green: Go. Too old, won't get any better. Need a hungry young player who isn't just ticking off the seasons sitting on the bench.
Norton: 50/50. Shows promise. Needs more ice time. Zion: Go. Half the player he was since his injury. Meyers: Keep. Competent in D, and seems to work well as a captain. The team is certainly suffering without him. Lee: Keep. Solid, but needs to be careful he doesn't stray too far forwards. Neilson: Go. I'd keep him as a player, but we all know he'd never take a demotion. He's had his chances, and it's not worked. Really nice guy, but we need a change in management. Lepine: Keep. Best D we have, always up for it, defends himself when needed. Nikolov: 50/50. Can't make my mind up. I'm always for invisible D-men, who do their job without error, but Angel seems especially transparent.
Clarke: Keep. Needs to improve his work ethic, and not just shoot aimlessly, but he's still scoring goals, and lots of them. Lachowicz: Keep. Come of age. Boundless energy, just needs to work on finer stick skills. Myers: Keep. Needs to keep a cooler head, gives away too many penalties. Beauregarde: 50/50. Flirts with excellence, then stops scoring for several games. Galbraith: 50/50. Will almost certainly leave is Neilson goes. Needs (as ever) to get in shape and keep a cool head. Ryan: Keep. Scores goals, quick on his feet. Levers: Keep. Excellent on the PK, quick and keen. Doesn't score as many points as he should. McDonald: Go. Doesn't score. Doesn't work hard. Heerema: 50/50. Seen him twice. Invisible against Sheffield. Pretty good against Braehead. Need more time to consider. Bellamy: Keep. Reminds me of Levers. Quick, keen, but doesn't seem to put up as many points as he should. Keep him just for that turn of pace if nothing else. Penner: 50/50. Entertaining, sometimes does nothing but attract penalties, sometimes has an excellent game. Less useful now most other enforcers are gone. Ward: 50/50. Not enough ice time to decide, needs a 2-way contract or proper time off the bench.
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Post by jerome29 on Jan 5, 2011 13:27:07 GMT
Netminders
Craig Kowalski - Before his injury best in the league I would keep him Dan Green - Needs to do more work in my opinion, to many soft goals.
Defence Steve Lee - Solid season and a good brit I would keep him Tom Norton - Again good solid young brit I would keep him Guy Lepine - One of the performers of the season, we must keep him Corey Neilson - Still one of the best defencemen in the league Angel Nikolov - Solid defencemen but what I would do for a Craig Weller instead of this guy Danny Myers - Solid but still cannot fight, defo keep him though Johnathon Zion - Has not looked the same player since getting injured. For me I like big defencemen like a Hoffman at Belfast, so I would get rid
Forwards Ian Mcdonald - Done nothing since the Blaze away game in my opinion, I don't even notice he is skating at times. Get Rid DAB - After a promising start, his confidence seems to have gone and he is not taking his chances. Get Rid Jade Galbraith - Jade can change a game but he has not doen it enough this season. Keep but better performances needed Matthew Myers - Stand out player of the season for me Alex Penner - Penner looks confused like he doesn't know what his role is. He seems to be giving up more penalties than gaining at present. Keep for me but Corey needs to handly him better. Billy Ryan - Good solid season from Billy I would keep him Jeff Heerema - Looks class I would keep him Rob Bellamy - My type of player gives it everything every game solid player, keep. David Clarke - Solid British player keep Rob Lacho - Improving all the time keep Josh Ward - Sent out to EPL Marc Levers - Again I am not a big fan of players this small, but he does great work on the penalty kill. Keep just
If you could keep the same players who would you like back next season and who would you drop like a bad smell?
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Post by Rich on Jan 5, 2011 14:35:33 GMT
Keep KWall, Green depends on wage
Steve Lee - A must Tom Norton - Dont rate him, needs more time in lower leagues and bulk Guy Lepine - Defo, does his job very well all the time Corey Neilson - Hmmm, unsure Angel Nikolov - Nah, a roster filler but not fussed Danny Myers - Yeh as long as hes not on big money Johnathon Zion - Pre Injury yes, post injury no
Forwards Ian Mcdonald - No DAB - Depends on wage, not worth a top earner for me Jade Galbraith - No brainer Matthew Myers - Defo Alex Penner - Good for the fans, but as a coach I wouldnt have him near my team Billy Ryan - Again depends on wage. Replacable Jeff Heerema - Need longer to decide Rob Bellamy - Defo David Clarke - Depends on wage, what else is out there and what the cap is. No doubt he puts up points but so he should for the shots he takes. There are import snipers who would do a better job for less money. Rob Lacho - Incredible hands, defo keep. Josh Ward - Not seen enough yet Marc Levers - As a roster filler yes, IMO he doesnt really warrant a good wage and is replacable
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Post by dodit on Jan 5, 2011 15:15:19 GMT
Kowalski Lepine Myers Meyers Lee Lachowicz Heerema Clarke Penner 50/50.
The rest can quite happily leave.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 5, 2011 15:18:13 GMT
Thought you wanted to keep Neilson, Spike?
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Post by Pies on Jan 5, 2011 15:44:02 GMT
I'd like it if we could keep 95% of the team so next year we can just carry on from this one without all the players getting to know each other and all that jazz!
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Post by texpef on Jan 5, 2011 16:26:33 GMT
Yep Pies because they are clearly destroying this league with such terrifc form arent they?..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 16:29:28 GMT
I'd like it if we could keep 95% of the team so next year we can just carry on from this one without all the players getting to know each other and all that jazz! But it could be argued that the team played their best at the start of the season, when they didn't know each other. The poorer results started once they had settled down.
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Post by Pies on Jan 5, 2011 16:48:59 GMT
The problem i foresee is we often tend to lose the best players each year and keep the average ones. I dont think Lepine will be here next season nor will Bellamy, Ryan or Kowalski. But I bet Zion and McDonald will be!! So I'd like to see them all back so at least we won't have the getting used to the other places - I know it ain't perfect but it's not like getting loadsa new players every tear has worked either
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Post by jambros1 on Jan 5, 2011 17:20:49 GMT
Goalies
KWall - Keep best netty in the league before the Coventry incedent Green - Needs to be cheap as chips to earn a spot for me, perhaps we could entice Mark Hartley back?
D-men
Steve Lee - A must although I fear he may be off to NA this summer Tom Norton - Ok for a young developing Brit as long as he's not costing much, could benefit from time in lower leagues and packing on the timber Guy Lepine - Definately, our most consistant player this season Corey Neilson - Gas him so we can get in a proper coach. Angel Nikolov - Anonymous stay at home D does the job for me. Danny Myers - keep (unless Weaver sudenly becomes available) i think we have noticed how vaulable he is since he's been injured Johnathon Zion - Started well but has tailed off, id Gas him on current form
Forwards Ian Mcdonald - doesn't bring enough for me, needs to man-up a bit along the boards DAB - Started well but quieter recently i'd take him back tho as we know what he can do Jade Galbraith - Best player in the league but also the mardiest? not sure at the moment Matthew Myers - Definately if he doesn't got back to NA most improved player by miles! Alex Penner - Keep if we get a coach that knows how to use him Billy Ryan - one of the more consitant guys this year i keep him. Jeff Heerema - Needs longer to prove himself unsure at the moment Rob Bellamy - every team needs this gridning guy and Bellamy's one of the best ive seem in recent times. David Clarke - As always he probably gets in because he's so difficult to replace damn import caps! (unless Sheilds fancies a spell in the lace city?) Rob Lacho - shown big improvement after a year with Phoenix could still do with bulking up a little but id keep him next year Josh Ward - Not seen enough yet maybe a year in the EPL with Sir Tony of Hand? (ala Lacho) Marc Levers - keep - IMHO one of the most underated players on the team works hard, checks hard, great on PK he's one of those heartbeat of the team kinda guys.
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Post by Cookies on Jan 5, 2011 17:52:00 GMT
Keep:
K wall Lepine Meyers Lee Norton on a 2 way
Myers Levers Bellamy Ryan maybe
Not seen enough of Heerema to decide.
The rest can go for me... Though Penner has largely done his job, I'd prefer a Hoffman type.
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Post by dodit on Jan 5, 2011 20:20:05 GMT
Thought you wanted to keep Neilson, Spike? I tried to use my logic in my post an'all. I disregarded the guys who I don't think will be back either. No matter whether Neilson will be in here or not, with Black's move to employ Strachan as bench coach is a move in which if results aren't going our way, Black has the option of sacking Neilson mid season rather than waiting till the end and has someone who has been working with the players straight away. Despit my opinion on the matter, I think Neilson will be looking for a new coaching job during the summer. If Neilson goes, Galbraith; Beauregard; Zion will be the first to follow him out, that's for sure.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 6, 2011 13:20:40 GMT
Keep
Kowalski Green
Meyers Lee Norton
Lepine
Clarke Myers Levers Lacho Ward
Heerema Galbraith Ryan Bellamy Penner
Lose
Zion Neilson Nikolov
McDonald DAB
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 6, 2011 19:14:19 GMT
Not really bothered, just sign the best team possible regardless
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