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Post by Yotes on Jun 16, 2010 10:45:13 GMT
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Post by pantherdman on Jun 16, 2010 11:44:05 GMT
I officially love North Korea. lol
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Post by dodit on Jun 16, 2010 17:55:09 GMT
Well we've had to wait until the last game of the first round of matches for our first major upset of the tournament. But I still expect Spain to go on and do well.
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Post by Alf Garnett on Jun 16, 2010 19:45:33 GMT
I officially love North Korea. lol What I love is how they are referred to as Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. It is about the most undemocratic country on earth now!!
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2010 22:34:24 GMT
Much MUCH better day of football today. Some genuinely entertaining games.
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Post by pantherdman on Jun 17, 2010 8:15:47 GMT
I told you all Spain would choke. Although i did pick Brazil to win in....
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Post by pantherdman on Jun 18, 2010 14:21:05 GMT
What's that Keiser? Germany are just a kick and chase team, who's league has been ruined by too many foregin players? lol
What's that Platini, the ball not so good anymore? cost France the game??? lol
England win 3-0 tonight and we'll be favorites for the cup!
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jun 18, 2010 19:23:44 GMT
England win 3-0 tonight and we'll be favorites for the cup! They'll need to pull their bloody fingers out. Utter garbage.
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Post by Mark on Jun 19, 2010 0:53:50 GMT
Shocking. A disgrace to the shirt.
Rooney needs to wake up, the fans were booing because you were utter dogshite. It's a shame that arrogance blinds him to the reality of the situation. How much as it cost this pampered ignoramus to get to South Africa?
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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2010 1:52:09 GMT
I don't plan to talk about this game any more than i already have. All i will say is that it was the single worst England performance I have ever seen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2010 8:02:40 GMT
Why are we even suprised by this, they are a bunch of average footballers who can t even pass simple balls 10 foot , i counted 3 shots on goal all game.
The reason the likes of Rooney and Lampard excel at club level is due to the foreigner play makers who make them look good and give them the service. They show absolute no passion in that shirt either. I expect to bow out of the tournement on wednesday, Capello should resign, too many mistakes, Crap 4-4-2 formation, why did he give crouch 10 mins? why no joe Cole ? SWP? hes having a fudge** laugh!
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Post by Yotes on Jun 19, 2010 10:59:35 GMT
It was embarrassing, Algeria played the better football. Agree with Giroux that I've never seen a worse performance, especially at a championships when it really counts. Even when we fail, we normally fail having a go, there was just nothing there at all last night.
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Post by pantherdman on Jun 19, 2010 11:30:49 GMT
Utter rot, lets call up 11 coca cola championship players an appoint Ian holloway as manager.
England need to go back to basics. Defenders defend, midfielders pass to wingers, wingers cross it in, strikers score. simple.
They're like deers caught in headlights, they need someone like Gazza to show them they should be enjoying playing at the world cup, relax, enjoy it and the passes will start flowing instinctively. Let's be honest, they can't understand a word Cappello is saying. USA and Algeria are toilet we should be hammering them. I'd revert to wing backs but go sort of 4-1-2-1-2 Like a xmas tree. James, Johnson & Cole wing backs, Terry & Dawson centre backs, Barry anchor, Gerrard & Lampard, Rooney in the hole, Defoe and Crouch (because he is the luckiest man alive) up front.
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 28, 2010 10:00:20 GMT
Thoroughly enjoying the FWC now. A lot of enertaining games. The SAmericans are tossing up different formations as they move the sport forward. Argentina and Chile are joys to watch.
It'll be interesting to see what NET do today. They've not clicked yet. Chile v Brazil should be good with one team playing stylish football and the other efficient, European football. A class of cultures and ideologies.
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Post by spik on Jun 28, 2010 10:44:26 GMT
Same old Footy.Poor reffing that ruined a game for us, though we are rubbish. I said we looked a non starter before the event.Al this hype just because we 'want' them to do well. Poor first game, dire second, just managed a third result against the smallest nation in the event and peeps still thought we could do it this year.Opps. Then 50% of our goals waved off in the Germany game. Worth going eh?
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jun 28, 2010 10:59:37 GMT
Sold a dream i'm afraid. Too many people believe the Premier League hype. Good entertainment it may be, good football it isn't. It's all about cash in England, and therein lies your issue, rich young men that just do not care, don't look after themselves and don't really like each other. Watch a bit of Bundesliga on ESPN (or even go, you can get a return Ryaniar flight + ticket to a Bundesliga game for less than it costs to get in at most top Prem clubs) and it is pretty clear why we got spanked yesterday. The ethos of football in this country is all wrong, and yesterday was a very succinct manifestation of the multitude of reasons that I've fallen further and further out of love with the beautiful game. It's no wonder intelligent guys like Lampard have made clear statements that once they stop playing they want nothing more to do with the game. What must Psycho think of this crop of wet lettuces huh?
Disappoint, but wholly expected and predictable.
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Post by Rich on Jun 28, 2010 11:54:17 GMT
Wayne Rooney has failed to score in his last 9 games for England, his longest barren run for the national team.
John Terry has blocked more shots at the 2010 #worldcup than any other player.
Wayne Rooney has lost the ball by being tackled in possession more often than any other player at the 2010 #worldcup finals.
Wayne Rooney completed only 55% of his passes for #ENG England against #GER Germany - the lowest rate in the game.
Germany scored four goals from six shots on target, while England mustered seven attempts on target.
Germany have always gone further than England at each #worldcup since 1970.
England have fired in a joint-high 26 shots on target along with #ARG Argentina at the 2010 #worldcup finals.
Just to give a bit of perspective though, the most underrated phrase in Football (and lots of sports) is "goals change games". If the GOAL had been given, 2-2 at half time would have given a completely different 2nd half. Glen Johnson is the worst player Iv seen play all the games for a world cup for England. Watch the games again if you disagree and watch all his decision making and little things like off the ball movement, gap control etc.
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 28, 2010 11:58:17 GMT
What must those wet lettuces think of Pearce? Only there as an English token. Waste of space. Bit like the team.
I agree about the Prem. It destroys players and leaves them burnt-out. Dempsey, Prince Boaetang. Lee (Bolton). Mascherano. Not many others have done anything in the FWC so far.
Villa must look at Torres and think he’s done the right thing in staying in La Liga.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jun 28, 2010 12:00:37 GMT
Glen Johnson is the worst player Iv seen play all the games for a world cup for England. Watch the games again if you disagree and watch all his decision making and little things like off the ball movement, gap control etc. It's not just me then! Agree 100%. If he signed for Forest tomorrow I'd be gutted. Looks slow, unfit and overweight - and that's before you factor in his limited ability. Agree about the goal being given and changing the game, still feel we'd have lost - dunno about you but I never felt that Germany were in top gear at any point in that game, they had several more levels they could have reached if the situation demanded it. It's disappointing that, by falling apart so badly, we've given Sepp and his stuck in the past cronies a get out of jail free card as they can now sweep the disgraceful performance of the lino / ref under the carpet. Although for what it's worth I think the shouts for goal line technology are probably missing the point a bit with direct reference to yesterday's incident - if you need a camera on the goal line to tell you that was over you've got bigger problems than the rare incident where a ball is hard to judge as in the goal or not - it was blatant. The 'offside' against Defoe (who hit the bar in the same incident) was equally poor - there were 3 white shirts between him and the lino when the ball was played, he could not possibly have seen Defoe in an offside position as he was nothing like offside. And we call the EIHL a Mickey mouse org - think of the cash available to FIFA!
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jun 28, 2010 12:02:48 GMT
What must those wet lettuces think of Pearce? They can think what they like of Pearce, not one of them will ever attain the level he did nor command the respect he did and does. To call him a token is totally misguided. He manages the Under 21s and is a very well respected coach (who has put considerable effort into learning his trade and completing his coaching badges). Capello has him there for a reason. Beckham however.......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 14:01:22 GMT
what the hell are you on about sunbean?
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 28, 2010 14:45:56 GMT
Pearce? Under-rated coach. He reminded me of Phil Neal with Graham Taylor. I don't agree with Stan that often but he's right about one thing - until you change kid football you've got no chance. England have always been rubbish at international football. Can't beat the big teams when it matters away from Wembley. Maybe it was a karma thing. God was punishing us for '66. Now that Germany have had their phantom goal we're even now. Maybe the curse is over. Christ, England are like the frickin' Panthers!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 15:05:43 GMT
Ive been saying it for the last 15 years, until you cap the limit on foreigners and change the way our english are coached into a more european style, we ll never even make a final let along win one.
Its no coincidence that from around 1994-5 when the foreign invasion of players to the prem started, englands fortunes started to nosedive!
The future looks really bleak its scary, Capello didn t help but being very incompetent with his tactics are team selection, he reminds me abit of Neilson, verys tuborn and im always right kind of attitude.. and look where it gets you.
Call him what you like but Maradona is onto something with his argie side, they are a TEAM with a capital T
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jun 28, 2010 15:29:45 GMT
Fair point Pidge, but Capello is hardly a rookie and has the pedigree to prove it - you can call him stubborn all you like but his skills have brought him more success than any player in that England squad will ever see. I think the problem is most likely on the other side of the fence, jumped up, overrated so and so's like John Terry who have so little respect or understanding of their place in the pecking order that they launch public attacks on the managers choices mid-tournament. These guys, most of them, have no concept of who's in charge so a guy like Capello coming in grinds with them, they are used to getting what they want hen they want it - because usually money talks and that is the one thing they have in abundance.
England have constantly failed to deliver on the pitch what they promise on paper. What is the constant? it's not the manager, it's the same overpaid, over worshipped players who think they are something special. Just look at our back four, one has spent the past few years nailing anything that's female and breathes despite having a stunning (and very successful) wife and another couldn't wait to get stuck into his best mate's mrs. That's just a snippet. The term "monkey with a rolex" was tailor made for the majority of players in the modern game most pertinently the majority of our international squad. How many footballers use all that free time usefully and how many spend it wasting their cash? You can hardly blame them, if someone offered you or I millions to kick a ball around at 17/18 years of age you'd snap their hand off but in creating this super wealthy breed we've sucked the desire out of football. No doubt the top players deserve their fair share of the pot but ever increasing ticket prices and sky subscriptions tell you that actually the working man's game has become a game that leaches off those who can least afford it, praying on their loyalty and unequivocal support.
They just don't care mate. If that 'goal that never was' happened at Old Trafford, Anfield or Highbury the likes of Rooney, Gerrard and Cole would have been in the face of the ref, lino and anyone else going absolutely mental - you can preach restraint but in those instances if you really genuinely care you'd be livid. There was little more than a whimper from our players yesterday - the simple fact is they aren't bothered, it's not important, none of our guys live for the game any more, many of them didn't live for it in the first place when they were young boys kicking a ball about - they just saw the fame and the status and wanted that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 15:59:59 GMT
You mention about how much our over worshipped pampared stars are, but don t you think the likes of Villa, Messi, Torres etc get paid a fortunes too. Its all down to desire on the players part.
back onto Capello, Shearer mentioned something last night that they may have been unrest in the camp and didn t want play for him, that might explain a bit. Hres won trophy after trophy.... at club level!!
This is England, international stuff, capello is inexperinced with working with a group of players for the odd few weeks through the year! The whole set up has to change with regards how many games are played domestically, the syle we play , how we prepare for big touneys , the list of priorities goes on....
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