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Post by sunbeam on Jul 14, 2010 13:58:26 GMT
I didn’t see many players who weren’t burnt out. It’s just the top players who we notice because their performances are more keenly watched and judged. With all due respect to Prince Boateng – his season hasn’t had the same pressure or intensity as Rooney’s.
Goss –
Liverpool in for Richards. Woy tried to take him to Fulham. City are unlikely to start selling until they know who is coming in. Right now they’re fighting Juve and Real for players.
Ottmar Hitzfeld being linked with Fulham. Hen made it known he ws interested in the Liverpool job. As apparently did van Marjwik.
I like that people here call MLS a retirement league. It’s ironic since that’s the dig Italians and Spaniards have used against the Prem.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 14, 2010 15:07:34 GMT
I bet all those managers were linked with Liverpool, easy money and Van Marjwik will be out of a job soon.
I used to really like the Italian league, utter garbage now. Italy and Spain only have 2/3 decent teams and very predictable scores.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 14, 2010 16:07:30 GMT
The same can be said about the Prem. Arsenal, Man U or Chelsea..... Chelsea, Man U or Arsenal...........
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 15, 2010 14:04:25 GMT
Emile Heskey retires from international football after playing 62 games and scoring 7 goals.
Big loss.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 15, 2010 14:07:08 GMT
At least most clubs in the Prem have an exciting player or 2 and there are upsets now and again.
The prem is much more watchable than Seria A and La Liga.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 15, 2010 14:23:44 GMT
Being watchable doesn't mean it's better. There are plenty of upsets in Serie A and La Liga too. Who are all these watchable players? Outside of a handful of clubs most players are nothing of interest to the average Football League fan.
I was trying to think of how many great players a Prem club has imported since 92. The player must be in his prime, not be failing at his current club and be an established world star.
A bit like the sorts of players Real are known for (Kaka and Ronaldo for instance).
I'm struggling to think of ONE player. In 18 years. Robinho maybe. It is staggering how few of the great players play in England.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 15, 2010 14:47:06 GMT
Drogba, Torres, Rooney, off the top of my head.
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Post by Dan on Jul 15, 2010 17:35:30 GMT
Drogba, Torres, Rooney, off the top of my head. Rooney came from an English club, Drogba wasn't a world-class star when he joined and neither was Torres. Sunny makes a good point, there's not been a genuine bona-fide world class superstar come to the Prem for a good while now, except maybe Robinho.
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Post by Higgy on Jul 15, 2010 20:19:21 GMT
At least most clubs in the Prem have an exciting player or 2 and there are upsets now and again. The prem is much more watchable than Seria A and La Liga. I would much rather watch the skill on display in La Liga than the dross most of the Prem serve up...maybe it isnt as intense but it's on the whole better football. Seria A isnt as boring as most people make out either....it's different but certainly not worse.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jul 15, 2010 23:07:03 GMT
At least most clubs in the Prem have an exciting player or 2 and there are upsets now and again. The prem is much more watchable than Seria A and La Liga. I would much rather watch the skill on display in La Liga than the dross most of the Prem serve up...maybe it isnt as intense but it's on the whole better football. Seria A isnt as boring as most people make out either....it's different but certainly not worse. Euro lover
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 16, 2010 9:57:36 GMT
Drogba, Torres, Rooney, off the top of my head. Rooney came from an English club, Drogba wasn't a world-class star when he joined and neither was Torres. Sunny makes a good point, there's not been a genuine bona-fide world class superstar come to the Prem for a good while now, except maybe Robinho. Torres and Drogba weren't world class when they came to England??? I will have to totally disagree. Torres was a god at Athletico and in Spain, He and Rooney were the 2 top rated young strikers in the world when they moved to English clubs. Drogba was totally destroying teams in the champions league. TBH I'd rather watch a match of the 70's replay, proper football.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 16, 2010 10:18:48 GMT
Rooney came from an English club, Drogba wasn't a world-class star when he joined and neither was Torres. Sunny makes a good point, there's not been a genuine bona-fide world class superstar come to the Prem for a good while now, except maybe Robinho. Torres and Drogba weren't world class when they came to England??? I will have to totally disagree. Torres was a god at Athletico and in Spain, He and Rooney were the 2 top rated young strikers in the world when they moved to English clubs. Drogba was totally destroying teams in the champions league. TBH I'd rather watch a match of the 70's replay, proper football. Drog was doing it in the UEFA Cup. Torres may well have been a god at AM - but that didn't mean he was a world star. Hence his reasonably low transfer fee. A few names that were thrown at me - Veron Van de Saar Ruud (questionable) Crespo Asprilla Makalele Essien Look who we didn't see at their peak - Kaka, Figo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Eto’o, Weah, Zidane, Kluivert, Riquelme, Shevchenko, Romario, Totti, Del Piero, Ribery (ish), Batistuta..... and before that.... Matthaus, Gullit, van Basten, Platini, Maradona, Baggio, Klinnsman, Rummenigge, Butragueño, Zico.....
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Post by Higgy on Jul 18, 2010 17:53:39 GMT
I would much rather watch the skill on display in La Liga than the dross most of the Prem serve up...maybe it isnt as intense but it's on the whole better football. Seria A isnt as boring as most people make out either....it's different but certainly not worse. Euro lover Guilty as charged
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Post by Rob #12 on Jul 19, 2010 8:07:16 GMT
Torres may well have been a god at AM - but that didn't mean he was a world star. Hence his reasonably low transfer fee. He was a Spain international and some on here laughed off the idea he may come to Liverpool when I suggested it the summer before he actually came. People back then thought he was too world class to come here, I might be wrong but weren't one of them? I would have to argue that Shevchenko came in as a world class player. The fact he flopped is irrelevant, he came in at the top of his game. What about Ballack surely he is/was world class. And that list of names who we never saw in their peak, you could do that the other way around but for players the Italian/Spanish have never seen at the top of their game. Its swings and roundabouts.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 19, 2010 15:20:42 GMT
Torres may well have been a god at AM - but that didn't mean he was a world star. Hence his reasonably low transfer fee. He was a Spain international and some on here laughed off the idea he may come to Liverpool when I suggested it the summer before he actually came. People back then thought he was too world class to come here, I might be wrong but weren't one of them? I would have to argue that Shevchenko came in as a world class player. The fact he flopped is irrelevant, he came in at the top of his game. What about Ballack surely he is/was world class. And that list of names who we never saw in their peak, you could do that the other way around but for players the Italian/Spanish have never seen at the top of their game. Its swings and roundabouts. Ballack maybe. Very arguable. Sheva - no way was he at the top of his game. Torres was actually considered a risk. His record at AM was not good but not amazing. As for the list - most of the great players in the world have played in Spain and/or Italy. A lot of that has to do with Real and Barca. England has seen very few great players going right back to the 1950's. ******************** The Joe Cole deal has finally gone through. Some good news for Liverpool fans at long last.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 19, 2010 15:38:21 GMT
Joe Cole is massively over rated, couldn't get in an ageing Chelsea team for a reason. Where's he going to play for Liverpool? wide left? won't do anything there, not fast enough.
Unless he's a relacement for Gerrard (they play in the same position and Gerrard is better), or a squad player, this is a bad move. IMO
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jul 19, 2010 22:18:44 GMT
Excellent, the jobs in the Liverpool medical room are safe with Torres, Johnson and now Cole!!
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 20, 2010 8:52:06 GMT
Don't get me started on Johnson. lol
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 20, 2010 9:46:45 GMT
LIV refusing to go past €12m for Remy. WHU have already offered €17.5m. Remy would be a sensible buy and give LIV back-up to Torres (assuming he stays).
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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 20, 2010 10:12:44 GMT
Liv should be more concerned about the alarming amount of Pillars in the ground.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 20, 2010 11:25:44 GMT
Some decent Defenders wouldn't go a miss at Anfield IMO
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 20, 2010 13:11:20 GMT
So City and Inter scheduled to meet today and Kolorov due to have a medical. Finally some movement happening.
Evra and Vidic would make so much more sense than Gerrard or Ashley Cole for Real. Since Real seem to feel Gerrard is too old then surely Cole must be too?
Having said that - Vidic is 28 and Evra is 29 but both are being valued around the £20m mark rather than tghe £30m mark.
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Post by Rob #12 on Jul 21, 2010 7:32:57 GMT
Some decent Defenders wouldn't go a miss at Anfield IMO We have a good core with Kyriagos, Skrtel, Agger, Carragher and now Wilson. Looks promising that young kid. Our defenders are none too shabby, they just need to stay fit. We do need a leftback though, that should be our next signing.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 21, 2010 12:13:21 GMT
LIV's XI is a strong one. The problem is the lack of depth. This is why they need someone like Remy.
Torres, like Rafa, is happy in Liverpool. He's not a Masch or a Vidic who is desperate to escape Lancashire. With Gerrard staying (AFAIK no-one ever bid for Gerrard) my guess is FT will give it a season with LIV. If he can get them back in the top 4 then he'll stay. If not then he leaves next summer when he has no international tournament to fill his calander.
Maybe Chelsea think the same. They had a £17m bid for Neymar rejected. He hs a £29m buy-out. If you've never seen him - think of a young Robinho.
Balotelli and City continue talks today. Bayern now in for Dzeka too.
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Post by dodit on Jul 21, 2010 19:37:37 GMT
Good points made by both rob and sunbeam which is basically my opinion. Now we've more or less secured wilson, I still think Liverpool need to make 5 more signings IMO 2 Good solid left backs. Nothing flashy, nothing expensive. Just 2 players who are capable. Also I think 2 Midfielders are needed, possibly a right midfielder and maybe another holding midfielder, because I can certainly see either Masch or Leiva going this summer, and the latter I wouldn't be too fussed about. This might come as a surprise but I only think we need one more striker - either Remy or someone very similar that can possibly play off torres or will be able to do a well enough job when replace him. I also think liv only need one because we have plenty of attacking mids who can play as a striker when needed.
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