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Post by Dan on Jul 10, 2010 12:28:22 GMT
Are you just reeling off transfer rumours?
City have moved for Ibra though. Journo called Andy Mitton confirmed it, some kind of cash plus player deal with Robinho.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jul 10, 2010 13:24:00 GMT
I personally think Villa have missed out on there chance to grab a CL place now that Man City are so wealthy and Spurs have been boosted by making it for this coming season and the money and transfer opportunities that will open up. Nevertheless if they can sign a striker that can bag them twenty goals a season then they have a good chance of challenging for fourth spot, there major weakness over the last two seasons was scoring goals, Heskey, Carew and Agbonlahor just aren't prolific enough to bag fourth. If they sell Milner to MCY then the obvious swap would be for Ireland plus cash, depending how much cash I think that would be a great deal for Villa as Ireland is a more than capable player at that level and the cash they receive could go towards the striker they so desperately need. I personally think Villa missed the boat big time when they showed no interest in signing Bent last summer.
As for Sunderland, if they manage to sign Onuohua and Campbell then I can see them having a great season, Cana is a loss but if they can get an adequate replacement then I think they'll easily make the top ten next term, imo there defence was what let them down last year. Steve Bruce is building a strong squad that in previous seasons would of been capable of challenging for UEFA/Europa.
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Post by dodit on Jul 10, 2010 21:15:37 GMT
As a liverpool fan I'm interested to see how Hodgson recruits this summer. Wouldn't mind seeing Hangeland and Duff being his first signings this summer. And personally I'd like Carlton Cole and someone to replace Benayoun.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jul 10, 2010 22:06:46 GMT
As a liverpool fan I'm interested to see how Hodgson recruits this summer. Wouldn't mind seeing Hangeland and Duff being his first signings this summer. And personally I'd like Carlton Cole and someone to replace Benayoun. Hangelaand has just signed a new deal so he wont come cheap, therefore you wont see him at Anfield anytime soon. I'd also be surprised if you could afford Carlton Cole. The only way you'll see any major transfer activity at Liverpool is if Torres or/and Gerrard go, if one leaves I think the other will to so then you'd have plenty of money but the downside being how many players would join what at the moment is a sinking ship. I must admit I'm finding the situation at Liverpool really interesting, if they don't qualify for the CL next season then any top players that are left will surely go and to be honest I don't think you've got a hope in hell of achieving top four next term with Spurs and Man City looking much stronger. If Everton and Villa manage to strengthen this summer you could be in a real fight for a Europa place, the next Leeds United? I personally don't think so but quite a few people seem to thinks it's a possibilty.
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Post by dodit on Jul 11, 2010 15:25:29 GMT
Just depends what reports you listen to though regarding how much money RH has actually been given. He must have a fairly substantial amount because I doubt he would have took the job on if he didn't feel he had the funds to do what he wanted. Regarding Gerrard, both parties have come out and said that there have been positive talks and Gerrard has agreed to stay. Torres on the other hand is going to take a bit more persuading to stay. Once the world cup is over, the longer Torres drags meeting with RH the more likely I think he'll leave the club.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 12, 2010 11:52:53 GMT
Gosling had a medical with Bolton yesterday but then asked for 24 hours. He got his wish as Newcastle came in with a better offer. All the signs are that Bolton are pretty skint so if they want Cohen they’re going to offer players.
Seb Frey is offski. Not a clue where but the players were saying their farewells yesterday. Maybe Wenger has finally made his move for him.
Juve offered Sissoko or Poulsen + €30m for Dzeko. City met with Wolfsburg this weekend so it’ll be interesting to see who wins this race. Maybe this is Juve trying to ‘persuade’ City to back off from Krasic. Mind games.
Milan are doing everything to try to find a way of fetching Ibrahimovic back to Italy. I can’t see Barca accepting a loan deal where Barca continue to share the wage bill. Not with Barca €300m in debt.
I suspect it may take some more buys by City to kick the merry-go-round of transfers. Not much money about. City, Chelsea and Malaga are rare exceptions.
BTW – none of my rumours are from the British press. That’s be pointless just regurgitating them. Naturally some of the rumours will also be in the papers here as they’re hearing the same gossip. Especially as often the gossip comes from agents spinning away.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 12, 2010 11:55:27 GMT
Just depends what reports you listen to though regarding how much money RH has actually been given. He must have a fairly substantial amount because I doubt he would have took the job on if he didn't feel he had the funds to do what he wanted. Regarding Gerrard, both parties have come out and said that there have been positive talks and Gerrard has agreed to stay. Torres on the other hand is going to take a bit more persuading to stay. Once the world cup is over, the longer Torres drags meeting with RH the more likely I think he'll leave the club. I've heard he'll have at least half of the money he raises. That could be £50m so he could rebuild the team.
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Post by Dan on Jul 12, 2010 12:12:00 GMT
Are you meaning to say that they could raise £100m? With his injury problems (which seem to be continuing) i can't see anyone paying more than £50m for him now, only City would go that high for me.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 12, 2010 12:22:09 GMT
As a liverpool fan I'm interested to see how Hodgson recruits this summer. Wouldn't mind seeing Hangeland and Duff being his first signings this summer. And personally I'd like Carlton Cole and someone to replace Benayoun. Duff and Carlton Cole? where do you want to see them? the championship?
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 12, 2010 13:08:00 GMT
Are you meaning to say that they could raise £100m? With his injury problems (which seem to be continuing) i can't see anyone paying more than £50m for him now, only City would go that high for me. Maybe Chelsea would too. He's a risk though. Yeah they can easily raise £100m. £40m for Torres £50m for Gerrard and Masch £10m for Lucas and Yossi. Then there's the Babels and Rieras of this world who could be sold. Plus I did say Roy would get at least half. That implies that he'd probably get slightly more than half so £50m could mean receipts of £80m if Roy is lucky. I think it's safe to say Masch will go so that's up to £40m banked for Masch, Lucas and Yossi potentially without even selling the big 2. Bottom line - everything I pick up about Liverpool sounds like it's bad up there. One person who is based up there and has worked in football says that he thinks Liverpool could struggle to finish 10th if things carry on the way he's hearing.
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Post by dodit on Jul 12, 2010 13:28:36 GMT
As a liverpool fan I'm interested to see how Hodgson recruits this summer. Wouldn't mind seeing Hangeland and Duff being his first signings this summer. And personally I'd like Carlton Cole and someone to replace Benayoun. Duff and Carlton Cole? where do you want to see them? the championship? Obviously not, I just think that they would be solid enough signings because I don't think the left hand side of our midfield is strong at all. Babel, Riera and Jovanevic, in my opinion we ain't going to get enough from them. Duff has experience at a top level club and knows what it takes at that level. Granted he's a few years older now, but I don't think his playing levels have changed since being at Chelsea. Also regarding Cole, say Stevie, Torres stay, we get a couple of creative midfielders in too, he could easily score 15/20 goals a season and tbh I think he's one of the most underrated strikers in the premier league and just needs more quality behind him to produce the goods on a more regular basis because I think he's totally wasted at West Ham.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jul 12, 2010 15:22:00 GMT
Duff and Carlton Cole? where do you want to see them? the championship? Obviously not, I just think that they would be solid enough signings because I don't think the left hand side of our midfield is strong at all. Babel, Riera and Jovanevic, in my opinion we ain't going to get enough from them. Duff has experience at a top level club and knows what it takes at that level. Granted he's a few years older now, but I don't think his playing levels have changed since being at Chelsea. Also regarding Cole, say Stevie, Torres stay, we get a couple of creative midfielders in too, he could easily score 15/20 goals a season and tbh I think he's one of the most underrated strikers in the premier league and just needs more quality behind him to produce the goods on a more regular basis because I think he's totally wasted at West Ham. Liverpool need to strengthen there squad throughout but where is the money going to come from? It's very likely that Gerrard and/or Torres will leave but how much can you reasonably expect for a thirty year old midfielder who had a relatively poor last season and a not so great world cup or a striker who is very prolific for the forty percent of the season he is actually injury free? Now you don't have the money coming in from playing in the CL I wouldn't be surprised if Hodgson will be on a sell to buy policy, it's not as if the owners will be rushing to put there hands in there pockets. Next season Arsenal, Man U, Man C, Chelsea and Spurs will be fighting it out for the top four places and that will leave two Europa places for the likes of Villa, Everton and Liverpool. The only saving grace for you guys is that neither Villa nor Everton seem to be in a position to significantly strengthen either but what they do have is a much more unified and settled club. The highest you can realistically hope for next season is sixth and imo that's highly unlikely, you better hope that the likes of Brum and Sunderland don't have a very good season as they seem to be building reasonable squads with two very experienced managers behind them. My guess is Liverpool will come between seventh and ninth, I've got a feeling Sunderland will have a strong season.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jul 12, 2010 15:26:14 GMT
Are you meaning to say that they could raise £100m? With his injury problems (which seem to be continuing) i can't see anyone paying more than £50m for him now, only City would go that high for me. Maybe Chelsea would too. He's a risk though. Yeah they can easily raise £100m. £40m for Torres £50m for Gerrard and Masch £10m for Lucas and Yossi. Then there's the Babels and Rieras of this world who could be sold. Plus I did say Roy would get at least half. That implies that he'd probably get slightly more than half so £50m could mean receipts of £80m if Roy is lucky. I think it's safe to say Masch will go so that's up to £40m banked for Masch, Lucas and Yossi potentially without even selling the big 2. Bottom line - everything I pick up about Liverpool sounds like it's bad up there. One person who is based up there and has worked in football says that he thinks Liverpool could struggle to finish 10th if things carry on the way he's hearing. I personally wouldn't go near Torres and I'll be surprised if any Prem teams do, if it hadn't of been a world cup summer then maybe there would of been more interest but the tournament just gone has further highlighted his injury problems whilst showcasing other talent available.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 12, 2010 15:46:29 GMT
How's Liverpools academy these days? Liverpool need hungry young players, who want to play for the club.
Surley they can do better than Carlton Cole, IMO he is grossly over rated, the mans a donkey, may as well bring Heskey back.
I don't think Hodgeson would have signed without assurances, he'll sign some good players. I'd clear all of those players with the exception of Gerard and Torres, willingness to stay and sallary permitting. hogeson could be the best thing to happen to the club in years if he is given the backing.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jul 12, 2010 15:56:23 GMT
How's Liverpools academy these days? Liverpool need hungry young players, who want to play for the club. Surley they can do better than Carlton Cole, IMO he is grossly over rated, the mans a donkey, may as well bring Heskey back. I don't think Hodgeson would have signed without assurances, he'll sign some good players. I'd clear all of those players with the exception of Gerard and Torres, willingness to stay and sallary permitting. hogeson could be the best thing to happen to the club in years if he is given the backing. If they had a good amount of money to give him I very much doubt Hodgson would be there. No disrespect to him as he is obviously a very capable manager but he strikes me as there work on a budget man rather than work with a reasonable amount of money man.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 13, 2010 9:50:50 GMT
He is sensible, capable manager. He won't blow millions on cack like Rafa did.
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Post by Dan on Jul 13, 2010 12:56:42 GMT
If Liverpool sell Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano, they sell their chance of finishing in the top 4.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 13, 2010 15:41:54 GMT
He is sensible, capable manager. He won't blow millions on cack like Rafa did. Is this the same guy who spent £7m on Kevin Davis? The guy wasted millions at Blackburn and Fulham. I've no idea why people now think Hodgson is some sort of clever, astute, genius manager. His CV is modest at best. This is a good read - tomkinstimes.com/2010/06/does-roy-hodgson-have-the-credentials/
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 13, 2010 15:43:18 GMT
If Liverpool sell Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano, they sell their chance of finishing in the top 4. Masch is as good as gone. Torres is a toss of a coin on whether he goes. As for Gerrard - a lot will depend on whether anybody wants him.
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Post by Dan on Jul 13, 2010 16:25:43 GMT
They're an extremely average side without those two, and £50m won't change that.
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Post by NYR on Jul 13, 2010 16:54:41 GMT
I think even if they keep the big three there time has gone, as soon as they fell out of the top four they were going to struggle to get back into it, I think both Spurs and City are better than them in terms of current squads! In my opinion they are at around the same level now as they were when Rafa joined, how the United fans must love it!
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Post by Alf Garnett on Jul 13, 2010 17:10:11 GMT
They're an extremely average side without those two, and £50m won't change that. To be honest I thought Gerrard and Torres looked distinctly average in the world cup aswell.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 14, 2010 10:12:52 GMT
They're an extremely average side without those two, and £50m won't change that. To be honest I thought Gerrard and Torres looked distinctly average in the world cup aswell. But that's irrelevant. So did most of the world's best players. Especially the EPL players. Burn-out clearly a factor. You can bet the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Ribery, Torres, Rooney, Drogba and co will be back on form when they're refreshed and fit. I appreciate a few players like Robben and Xavi delivered the goods. Xavi and Iniesta let the ball do the work! BTW - Henry and another well known player will be announced as new NY players this week. Ljunberg, Pires, Vieira and Rafa Marques being linked with NY.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jul 14, 2010 10:41:09 GMT
I don't mean to sound stopid but who's NY? Unless your referring to New York MLS team.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 14, 2010 10:56:30 GMT
NY = New York Red Bulls, i believe they are called, yes MLS early retirement league.
Xavi has been a top, top player for a long time, one of the main reasons Barca are so good.
Funny how 'burn out' seems to effect the famous player more than most, maybe they should stick to football and knock the celebrity rubbish on the head?
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