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Post by Gsxr on Apr 26, 2012 6:29:27 GMT
HULL Stingrays will be under new ownership next season – after the current owners confirmed they will not be back in 2012-13. It paves the way for Hull's senior team to return to local ownership for the first time in over a decade. In pole position to do so are current assistant coach Bobby McEwan and local businessman, Nic Gough, who will retain coach Sylvain Cloutier, although other potential owners are also in the frame, such as Hull businessman Paul Fielder. The news comes just 48 hours before all "interested parties" are due to meet Hull City Council to discuss the ice time contract for next season. Stingrays' management – who also own and run Elite League rivals Coventry Blaze – confirmed they were pulling out of Hull in a long statement issued on the club website tonight. It said: "It has been very challenging operating two clubs and there have undoubtedly been ups and downs along the way. "What we have done is keep the sport alive at the top level in Hull for two seasons at a time when that looked to be virtually impossible and we would particularly like to thank the players for their contribution to this. "Hull now has a club that people want to take forward which is a real positive for the sport. "We wish the new operators every success with the future of the Stingrays." www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Stingrays-owners-pull-Hull/story-15911426-detail/story.html
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Post by Phil Mitchell on Apr 26, 2012 13:40:44 GMT
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Post by BigLad on Apr 26, 2012 16:38:47 GMT
Fingers crossed for Hull.
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Post by lee on Apr 26, 2012 18:55:47 GMT
Fingers crossed for Hull. +1 be great if they got on stable footings... there is real potential in hull. if coventry can do it so can hull
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 26, 2012 20:17:01 GMT
Why don't they make any money? Decent rink, close rivals, decent crowds (or is that jut for panthers games?), get decent players. What's the problem?
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Post by HappyGilmore on Apr 28, 2012 13:44:42 GMT
Why don't they make any money? Decent rink, close rivals, decent crowds (or is that jut for panthers games?), get decent players. What's the problem? The money they make is probably not put back into the club.
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Post by james1977 on Apr 28, 2012 21:57:31 GMT
Why don't they make any money? Decent rink, close rivals, decent crowds (or is that jut for panthers games?), get decent players. What's the problem? The decent crowds (as at most rival teams) generally only turn up when Panthers are in town.
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Post by lee on Apr 29, 2012 17:17:32 GMT
surely sheffield and coventry draw in a crowd?
if they could muster a real challenge one year, not just battle to make the playoffs i think there is real potential in 'Ull'
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Post by cooperphil156 on Apr 29, 2012 18:55:21 GMT
Firstly I enjoyed visiting Hull, certainly it is small, but enclosed and intimate. I think for Panthers there were about 1,200. There were similar for Shuff - mentioned it before, but I would have thought more for the play off quarters, particularly when its just along the road. For many other games its 800 or so. Cloutier bemoans his small budget and no wonder. Costs are obviously lower at a rink than at an arena, but it is obviously an uphill struggle to survive let alone compete with the top teams. Rick Strachan had a good go at trying to move them forward, but could not manage it. On the crowds which they get getting into the semis of the play offs was quite an achievement. Presumably they will struggle to hang on to the likes of Tendler and maybe Silverthorn - assuming that they can remain in the Elite league. One hopes that they do get new owners and financial viability.
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Post by Phil Mitchell on Apr 30, 2012 8:48:17 GMT
The biggest problem Hull face is actually getting a decent crowd/full capacity each week Unfortunatley they are competing against the Football and Rugby League clubs (who have big following too). Its a shame that Hull has got to this stage...after getting so far with the play offs etc. Just have to wait and see what happens with the new owners - but it will be like starting all over again? Not good at all
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Post by Phil Mitchell on Apr 30, 2012 9:32:17 GMT
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 30, 2012 20:25:41 GMT
Let's be honest, if you aren't in the un holy alliance, you'd be mad to buy a club in this league.
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Post by Phil Mitchell on May 5, 2012 19:41:47 GMT
I really have to wonder why the whole thing is being so drawn out and so messy. It makes you wonder if Hull City Council actually want the Hull Stingrays and the whole Ice Hockey set up at all. The Council will look at it and see if it brings 'added value' or extra revenue to the City each weekend when the Stingrays are at home. Theres also the question is the Hull Arena financially viable for the City Council and are they trying to off load it to private ownership.
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Post by BigLad on May 6, 2012 13:03:12 GMT
...Theres also the question is the Hull Arena financially viable for the City Council and are they trying to off load it to private ownership. It's the most versatile arena! Course they don't want rid of it...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 14:31:21 GMT
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Post by james1977 on May 18, 2012 15:01:02 GMT
Does anyone know if the EIHL have started carrying out 'due diligence' checks yet?
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Post by LUFC on May 18, 2012 15:26:08 GMT
Those sort of checks dont work. Just look at Birmingham City, Rangers and Blackburn. Owners who are either getting done for money laundering, didnt have the money and blagged it or are just taking all the money they can out of the clubs for themselves. Same happened in Portsmouth and yet the FA, Premier leagues in both England and Scotland and those in the Football league all failed to protect those clubs from less than scrupulous owners.
So how a league which is ran by current owners could do any better, i just dont know. I mean if you look at all the instances that have occured over recent years.
Basingstoke. The owners that came in there had a great rep as owners of Bracknell. Had lead them successfully for many years. Then the recession took a hold, they over spent and the money didnt come in. Due Diligence there would never of caught that happening.
Sheffield. First off we had Mr and mrs Phillips. Both of whome had already been in charge of Cardiff for many years, didnt seem to be in too big a mess, plugged along each year covering costs and such. So When Sheffield needed a new owner they stepped in. Again they struggled and failed and had to be bailed out after first selling on their Cardiff Club to a consortium and then having to sell Sheffield to Ragan (who also bought Cardiff). Onto Ragan, Self proclaimed Millionaire nice guy, had already got his foot into the Elite league boardroom by taking over Cardiff and looking to be doing well with his "massive resources" so him taking over sheffield didnt seem to be too big a problem. But as it turns out it was and he failed and had to be bailed out himself while shrinking back to Cardiff and consolidating his finances there.
Coventry/Hull. The previous owners of Hull had for many years plugged along, needed help every now and then in the forms of loans from Neil Black and so forth. We knew they didnt have the funding and it was inevitable that someone should have to take over. So in steps the Coventry Lot, those who had run a very very successful tight ship, winning leagues and cups galore. Yet they too got hit by the downturn and couldnt properly run both clubs. Due Diligence there would of also not shown up these problems.
End of the day i dont think there is any sure way of looking at a company or individual and accessing if they can run the club they are to purchase efficiently. Especially with the limited resources a league like ours has.
Glad they now have new owners who share a love of the club and are local to that area. I wish them nothing but a bright secure future.
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Post by GuinnessMan on May 18, 2012 21:50:24 GMT
Glad things are progressing for the Stingrays. Hoping they will have a stable and sustainable club for many years to come.
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Post by BigLad on May 19, 2012 23:00:36 GMT
Those sort of checks dont work. Just look at Birmingham City, Rangers and Blackburn. Owners who are either getting done for money laundering, didnt have the money and blagged it or are just taking all the money they can out of the clubs for themselves. Same happened in Portsmouth and yet the FA, Premier leagues in both England and Scotland and those in the Football league all failed to protect those clubs from less than scrupulous owners. So how a league which is ran by current owners could do any better, i just dont know. I mean if you look at all the instances that have occured over recent years. Basingstoke. The owners that came in there had a great rep as owners of Bracknell. Had lead them successfully for many years. Then the recession took a hold, they over spent and the money didnt come in. Due Diligence there would never of caught that happening. Sheffield. First off we had Mr and mrs Phillips. Both of whome had already been in charge of Cardiff for many years, didnt seem to be in too big a mess, plugged along each year covering costs and such. So When Sheffield needed a new owner they stepped in. Again they struggled and failed and had to be bailed out after first selling on their Cardiff Club to a consortium and then having to sell Sheffield to Ragan (who also bought Cardiff). Onto Ragan, Self proclaimed Millionaire nice guy, had already got his foot into the Elite league boardroom by taking over Cardiff and looking to be doing well with his "massive resources" so him taking over sheffield didnt seem to be too big a problem. But as it turns out it was and he failed and had to be bailed out himself while shrinking back to Cardiff and consolidating his finances there. Coventry/Hull. The previous owners of Hull had for many years plugged along, needed help every now and then in the forms of loans from Neil Black and so forth. We knew they didnt have the funding and it was inevitable that someone should have to take over. So in steps the Coventry Lot, those who had run a very very successful tight ship, winning leagues and cups galore. Yet they too got hit by the downturn and couldnt properly run both clubs. Due Diligence there would of also not shown up these problems. End of the day i dont think there is any sure way of looking at a company or individual and accessing if they can run the club they are to purchase efficiently. Especially with the limited resources a league like ours has. Glad they now have new owners who share a love of the club and are local to that area. I wish them nothing but a bright secure future. Glad you mentioned all those teams but didn't mentioned the one closest to home... /sigh
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Post by LUFC on May 20, 2012 16:16:30 GMT
Last i checked biglad, Our owner hasn't ran us into the ground. We have Competitive teams every season and we don't bust the bank to do so. So having Due Diligence done on our owner would show nothing but a Club well run, Owner who backed it and sorted it out from a failing club to the biggest supported, money churning live and kicking club we have today.
So i don't get why you would want me to point out failings, as everything i said about the other clubs was due to ownership issues. We really don't have the same issues any of them had.
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Post by Dunk B on May 20, 2012 17:42:16 GMT
I think BigLad was talking about Notts County, when Sven-Göran Eriksson was the manager.
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Post by BigLad on May 20, 2012 18:11:46 GMT
Director of Football. But yeah.
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Post by LUFC on May 20, 2012 23:56:36 GMT
ahhh forgot about that mess.
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Post by BigLad on May 30, 2012 16:12:44 GMT
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Post by james1977 on May 30, 2012 16:14:14 GMT
Well that could mess up the conference system a little if all the buyers pull out.
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