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Post by jerome29 on Sept 27, 2010 11:35:03 GMT
Hi all, For me the two biggest problems on Saturday night were the Panthers were not clinical enough. 51 shots Panthers had to Braeheads 38 and they lose the game 4-3, that is a poor statistic. Our Powerplay was awful on Saturday. The only powerplay we scored on was the 5 on three we had in the third period. I believe Brarhead scored at least 2 of their goals on the powerplay and they had at least 2 less powerplays throughout the game than the Panthers. All the statistics from the game can be found here www.eliteleague.co.uk/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=536I would love to know everyone elses views on why they think we lost to Braehead? They look a good organised team who do all the basics right but nothing to special.
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Post by lee on Sept 27, 2010 11:52:30 GMT
our powerplay was woeful!
god knows why we kept trying the same tactic time after time when Braehead were onto it.
Pass along the blue line (breahead knew to pressure the Blueline puck carrier) then when that didn't work we passed it to a guy behind the goal looking to pass it to someone on the doorstep to knock it in and this failed every time!
the powerplay was much more effective when they stuck penner in from of Perras and reigned the shots in. he can't save what he can't see.
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Post by jerome29 on Sept 27, 2010 12:10:23 GMT
I thought Clarke and Zion didn't really show up on the powerplay and we didn't shoot the puck enough for my liking. We were trying to wait for the perfect play but when that didn't happen there was no plan B.
I thought the shooting overall throughout the game was of a poor standard by Panthers.
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Post by jd on Sept 27, 2010 12:27:28 GMT
We tried the same old thing on the PP, nearly came off once as Clarkie missed his shot. After that we didnt have a clue. Should have Penner in front of Perras/any netminder all the time. He is huge and we must use that to our advantage
Changing the lines is a strange one for me. We played 5 and hadnt lost, so CN changes it up.
Jade/Liscak/Clarkie wasnt a great line. Myers/Ryan/Beau was the same and is our best line i think McDonald/Sproat/Penner or Lacho.
Liscak is an average player, so far nothing to impress. I think Kowalski was unlucky with the first one but played ok afterwards We need to defend better, Zion/Meyers went forward a lot, but need to come back and defend. We need a plan B
Also, Bruce knows CN pretty well so is it any wonder we lost? I reckon if CN doesn't win anything this season then Bruce could come here as Coach
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Post by Robbie Nud on Sept 27, 2010 12:27:51 GMT
The PP didn't work as CN was trying to play the same system as last season and when you are playing against the coach who was part of that system, of course he's going to know how to nullify it. We were physical enough, Cook was a threat all night, so he should have been bounced all over the place from the moment the puck was dropped to try and put him off his game.
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Post by jerome29 on Sept 27, 2010 13:04:47 GMT
Does anyone else think this is just same old Panthers. Play really well against the top teams and lose the league against the weaker teams? Why do you think this seems to happen every year?
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Post by Jay on Sept 27, 2010 13:04:50 GMT
One thing that winds me up is when we're on the powerplay and you see the fans who have no idea and they're like SHOOT!! SHOOT!! why just blast it at their players if they havent got a clear shot on goal..
but our powerplay is pretty boring though and SO predictable..
I think we got caught with our pants down in the first 10 and then they played VERY defensively!!
got a good clip of the fight though from block 15 row K, will upload later.
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Post by jerome29 on Sept 27, 2010 13:06:38 GMT
Jay do you think they should of shot the puck more on the powerplay?
Do you also agree with Lee's statement below? the powerplay was much more effective when they stuck penner in from of Perras and reigned the shots in. he can't save what he can't see.
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Post by killercarlson on Sept 27, 2010 13:07:21 GMT
I was pretty annoyed after the game, but having had time to reflect I don't think we played badly for 50 minutes - the problem was that we were caught napping in the first 10 minutes. After that we worked hard, played a physical game and forced the momentum our way. Perras had a very good game, but I do think that if we hadn't given up the 5 on 3 in the third, we would have worked back for the draw or even the win. That 5 on 3 goal took all our momentum away. Not the worst loss we'll see this season - and the BRUUUCE thing was embarrassing....
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Post by Jay on Sept 27, 2010 13:19:21 GMT
I dont think they should of shot more in the powerplay, they have a better view than any of us spectators, if there isnt a clear shot on goal then it shouldnt be wasted to be then whacked right the way up to the other end of the ice, i just feel its abit inneffective, you watch teams like sheffield, they just look dangerous when on the powerplay..
Bruce clearly knew our game plan through playing with us the past couple of years and he exploited that.
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Post by Pies on Sept 27, 2010 13:25:05 GMT
first 10 mins killed us. No players had a stand out game and took it by the scruff of the neck. Lisack is such a disapointment IMO - we need someone to get some points on the board and plays physical.
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 27, 2010 13:29:26 GMT
It did seem to me that the powerplay was less effective than normal on Saturday... and we didn't seem to take advantage of one big asset that we had - namely, Alex Penner.
This guy is perfect for sitting in front of the netminder and causing havoc... which, all credit to him, he certainly seemed to do on Saturday when he was put out there on the PP. Thing is... surely when we have someone like that we should take advantage of it by letting off more (admittedly lower-percentage) shots, and then drive in on the net with at least one more player so as to hopefully catch rebounds, take second or third shots, etc etc... with the blueline shooter(s) staying out there to hopefully head off any short-handed rushes if we get unlucky.
On Saturday. it did just seem like the search for the perfect shot... which can work (and has done in the past!) but is, as others have pointed out, something that Bruce Richardson is intimately familiar with.
No calling for scalps from me, it's early days yet and mistakes aren't cause for total panic & blindly lashing out... just something to possibly learn from.
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Post by Jay on Sept 27, 2010 13:32:46 GMT
Im not calling for anyones heads at the moment either.
I would of still prefered another import D-man instead of this waste of space thats graced our shores.. I guess Macca didnt wanna join us in the end.
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Post by johnadam on Sept 27, 2010 14:12:51 GMT
Ive read some of the comments and can agree with most.
Our PP has gone to pot again, we pass all the time which in turn does not put any pressure on the netty or their defense, it more or less allows them to position themself better so we can not get through.
Our first game against tilburgh or belfast, when it came to PP moments, it was taking shots when ever some one got it passed to them, i counted 5 attempts within 30 seconds of a pp with the 6th actually going in.
I get fed up as much as the next person when people are shouting shoot all the time, some times i do understand because its just as much annoying when all we do is pass the parcel (puck).
I have also noticed the trick of dumping the puck to some where that one of our players is not stood or even better passing to the other team. Look before you pass please.
We have a good enough line up of defense when they do their job, problem is, you dont see them doing the job much. I seen corey and co watching the puck alot and skating backwards but not much else.
I know im amatuer compared to some people on here who play ice hockey or have been supporting the Panthers for years before i was born, but surely if some one like me can see this sort of thing, that this alone says some thing is wrong.
Or am i the one thats wrong?
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Post by killercarlson on Sept 27, 2010 14:22:44 GMT
This guy is perfect for sitting in front of the netminder and causing havoc... which, all credit to him, he certainly seemed to do on Saturday when he was put out there on the PP. Thing is... surely when we have someone like that we should take advantage of it by letting off more (admittedly lower-percentage) shots, and then drive in on the net with at least one more player so as to hopefully catch rebounds, take second or third shots, etc etc... I like to see a big guy in front of the net. The problem with this on Saturday was that Perras hardly gave up a reboubnd all night - he won it for Braehead imho.
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Post by panthers4ever on Sept 27, 2010 14:46:12 GMT
Simples
We was rubbish
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Post by tecpuldis on Sept 27, 2010 15:01:14 GMT
the way some people are talking on here we should re-assess the whole team every time we lose!!!
we can't win every game. there has to be an off night and saturday was it. we were bad and they were good, that combination only results in one outcome i'm afraid... and we still only lost by one goal.
Stop looking for someone to blame and move onto the next game
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Post by KIGOIUK on Sept 27, 2010 15:11:57 GMT
They won nearly all of the faceoffs , they where hungry for the puck they wanted posession of it at all times and fought hard in the corners , they read our play Bruce informed his players how we played and of corys game plans , they defended well especialy on the power play and read our play prety well . and they carried this format onto Cardiff the following night and but for Cardiff waking up they would have won that one too , pity we did not wake up after the 2nd goal instead of letting them score three , there are going to be a few games on the road that Breahead take to the line by the odd goal , it is Richardsons type of play and never give up attitude . It took 3 Goals for panthers to wake up , but we where always going to be chasing the game after that . I can only hope they take points off the other leading teams of the league . not too worried that we have lost a game , it may well do us good to lose and in our own Barn too . I am concerned by the amount of Goals we have conceded , and we need to tighten at the back , maybe a shut out is required to calm everyone down .
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Post by Flying Viking on Sept 27, 2010 15:28:33 GMT
I think when it comes down to it, what didn't work is the overall strategy of "score one more than the other team". That's great if you're conceding 2 goals a game, scoring 3 isn't a stretch. But we're conceding 4 a game, so all opposition teams have to do is make sure we don't score 5. We didn't play badly. We didn't play as well as we have done this season, but Clan countered our attacks very well, by getting 5 men back. And Perras had the best game I've seen him play. I also think it's unfair to class Clan as a "weaker" team. We haven't seen much of what they can do, but they've won 2 and lost 1 so far. Just because they're new, doesn't mean they're weak. Bruce seems to have picked up some fast, aggressive players, and a couple of guys with laser slapshots.
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Post by jd on Sept 27, 2010 15:28:38 GMT
We dont do shut outs
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Post by Flying Viking on Sept 27, 2010 15:32:00 GMT
They won nearly all of the faceoffs , . Did anyone actually keep stats of faceoffs won? Because I actually commented to my friend, early in the 3rd period, that at least we seem to be winning all the faceoffs. That's certainly the impression I got anyway. I could be wrong, or maybe we just had a purple patch in the 3rd, but we did win about 6 or 7 in a row.
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Post by killercarlson on Sept 27, 2010 15:35:36 GMT
They won nearly all of the faceoffs , . Did anyone actually keep stats of faceoffs won? Because I actually commented to my friend, early in the 3rd period, that at least we seem to be winning all the faceoffs. That's certainly the impression I got anyway. I could be wrong, or maybe we just had a purple patch in the 3rd, but we did win about 6 or 7 in a row. Could have been when Richardson was serving a misconduct....
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Post by pantherdman on Sept 27, 2010 18:18:39 GMT
different year, same old panthers.
Stato's: how many times over the past 4 years have we had double the amount of shots of an opponent and still lost?
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Post by Mark on Sept 27, 2010 19:05:55 GMT
Four things.
1. The powerplay didn't work.
2. Team defence was poor.
3. Ten minutes where the players looked like they'd never met.
4. Another too many men call.
Plenty for Neilson to work on, try and mix up the powerplay, it was way too predictable on Saturday. sort out the defence, when we're bad we just flap and panic, surely it should be more organized. Our D men have got to get back more quickly than they are doing, watching Braehead, even on the powerplay, if they lost possession of the puck two men immediately dropped to the centreline, this is an area where we get caught regularly by oddman rushes because our players are slow to react, if they react at all.
We've got to cut out these periods of play where the team just don't show up, ten minutes at the start at the weekend and it was effectively game over. Get them playing hard for sixty minutes.
Time to cut out the too many men calls. It's stupid and it's lazy and it's hurting the team.
Too early to panic and in no way should we be looking at personnel changes but there is work to be done.
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Post by iginla on Sept 27, 2010 19:39:17 GMT
We didnt win many face offs for the first two periods,our shooting was very poor and Perras had a brilliant game.
Two things though which get forgotten.
Attacking and attractive hockey is Neil Blacks way, it may not necessarily be Coreys choice. Every coach in the last ten years has played a similar way, even Mike Blaisdell and he certainly wasn't that way inclined at Sheffield. What i'm suggesting is that 7 forwards and 3 defencive imports may not be purely down to our coach. Also,screening the netminder,thats fine if you are going to shoot and shoot accurately. However,by sticking a man in the crease and leaving him there you are then basically playing 4 skaters against 4 in the course of moving the puck around. I would rather see no man in the crease and try to find the spare 5th man at the back post.
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