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Post by Jay on Oct 10, 2011 20:47:23 GMT
Ok so i've watched my fair share of hockey over the years and not once have i ever seen panthers pull their netminder and actually tie the game and go onto win it...
can anyone recall the last time this was achieved by the panthers?..brahead did it when they were 2-0 down so even if they had of pulled 1 back surely they would of had to of kept the netminder pulled to get another one and the odds of that...probably got more chance of winning the euro.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 20:52:14 GMT
The last time i can remember it happening involving panthers was the season we had blazer back (05-06) , we were tied 2-2 away at Bison , i believe it was the CC, we needed a win to top the group, we pulled Cruickshank and Joe Carderelli scored the winner . Im sure someone can correct me if im wrong
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Post by blackpanther2011 on Oct 10, 2011 22:05:17 GMT
Hey there, After just this minute diving into my scrap book, i have found the last time that the Panthers pulled their netminder and went on to win. It was back in 2001, (March the 4th) and we needed to beat the then named Newcastle Jesters just to make the play-offs, where we had a face-off in Newcastle's zone when Jordan Willis was pulled to put an extra attacker on. What happened next was unbelievable when Greg Hadden won the face-off and David Struch drove the net while the puck was passed back to Bob Nordmark who scored and won the game for us with only 4.4 seconds left on the clock. I hope this helps a bit  |
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 10, 2011 22:13:47 GMT
The last time i can remember it happening involving panthers was the season we had blazer back (05-06) , we were tied 2-2 away at Bison , i believe it was the CC, we needed a win to top the group, we pulled Cruickshank and Joe Carderelli scored the winner . Im sure someone can correct me if im wrong Sorry, Pidge... as best as I can tell, that's incorrect. The only game that season away at Basingstoke that ended up 3-2 to us was Feb 11th 2006... and we'd gone 3-0 up, with the Bison scoring twice after that to pull back to within 1 goal. And it was a league-only game, I believe. |
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 10, 2011 22:17:03 GMT
Hey there, After just this minute diving into my scrap book, i have found the last time that the Panthers pulled their netminder and went on to win. It was back in 2001, (March the 4th) and we needed to beat the then named Newcastle Jesters just to make the play-offs, where we had a face-off in Newcastle's zone when Jordan Willis was pulled to put an extra attacker on. What happened next was unbelievable when Greg Hadden won the face-off and David Struch drove the net while the puck was passed back to Bob Nordmark who scored and won the game for us with only 4.4 seconds left on the clock. I hope this helps a bit Ruddy 'eck... I think you're right! Funny thing... that 4.4 seconds game is indelibly etched on my mind (as I'm sure it is for just about every Panthers fan who was there) but I'd completely forgotten that we'd pulled Jordan Willis for the extra outskater. Funny the tricks the mind plays on you... And we may (or may not) have failed to win with the netminder pulled, but we did at least manage to score that way in the recent 7-6 home loss to Coventry... |
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Post by Jay on Oct 10, 2011 22:31:19 GMT
Ah i think i heard the radio commentary of that on youtube...
so there we go, in 10 years of pulling netminders its never helped...pfft, stupid..
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Post by LUFC on Oct 10, 2011 22:33:12 GMT
I'm sure there has been one later than that. I've only been watching since EIHL at Panthers matches and sure i've seen one!
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Post by heja on Oct 11, 2011 0:30:10 GMT
It is one of those things where you might as well try it, hell it worked once against Coventry the other week and nearly worked twice with us going within inches of tieing the game and sending it to OT.
If you get scored on your get scored on doesn't make much difference if you lose by one extra goal in the long run.
I bet if there are any statistics on it, it would show that teams score between about 10% and 20% of the time with the goalie pulled about the same as a Powerplay, only thing that makes people perceptions of the chances of scoring change is that the chances of an empty net goal compared with a SH goal are a lot higher.
High risk, high reward tactic, if your losing a game its a perfectly good thing to do.
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Post by texpef on Oct 11, 2011 0:56:47 GMT
That Cov game corey missed a chance, if we had pulled the goalie 2 down with 4.40 mins left and a powerplay it may have helped to get both goals back... Remember a semi final in manchester against Ayr we were 3 goals down with 4 mins to go and blasier pulls off the goalie and panthers went on to score and eventually gained momemtum and went on to win in the longest game (went into overtime) recorded in this country... happy times... Oh and a foot note steelers beat us in the final with a goal that never should have stood, think it was Vial they were a man down hits weber (i think) behind the play ref obviously didnt want to call another penalty and as they had the puck in our zone unguarded as the man was on the ice prone slots it into the net one on one... once a bunch of cheating gits always...  |
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Post by BigLad on Oct 11, 2011 6:45:11 GMT
No different to a goalie going up for a corner in the last minute in footy (Euro Cup final 1999 anyone???). Also I remember the Blaze doing it to us then going on to win a couple of seasons ago.
You're already losing and gaining nothing, so why the heck not pull the goalie? A loss is a loss regardless of if it's by 1 or 3.
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Post by jono222 on Oct 11, 2011 8:14:57 GMT
That Cov game corey missed a chance, if we had pulled the goalie 2 down with 4.40 mins left and a powerplay it may have helped to get both goals back... This is the worlds fastest team sport, you can't play over 4 and a half minutes with no net minder. a minute yeah but not 4. |
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Post by Doughnut on Oct 11, 2011 8:36:38 GMT
This is the worlds fastest team sport, Wrong. you can't play over 4 and a half minutes with no net minder. a minute yeah but not 4. Probably right. |
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Post by jono222 on Oct 11, 2011 9:18:56 GMT
This is the worlds fastest team sport, Wrong. Why? how quickly things can change in ice hockey, in game play its fast, its hard hitting! i google'd it and honestly not watched enough hurling ( the other option that was suggested, arguements both ways) to say any different. |
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Post by pantherfan007 on Oct 11, 2011 9:24:31 GMT
I think Formula 1 might have something to say about being the fastest team sport.
But fastest non-motorised team sport, you might have a point.
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Post by Doughnut on Oct 11, 2011 9:34:03 GMT
Fastest non motorised team sport? Just off the top of my head and in no particular order there's bobsleigh, cycling, speed skating relay and bandy, all faster than ice hockey.
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Post by rangers on Oct 11, 2011 9:35:31 GMT
Should be more of this...
Montreal Canadiens played without a goalie for the final 9:30 of a game against the Chicago Blackhawks on April 5, 1970. Montreal needed to win, tie, or score five goals to make the playoffs, so when Chicago went ahead 5-2, they pulled their goalie for the rest of the game.
It didn't work. Montreal didn't score any more, and the Hawks padded their stats with five empty-net goals.
I always think teams are too slow to pull the goalie. Face off when your attacking with 5 or so seconds left of a period - yank the nettie. unlikely to result in a goal against, extra man could get you a goal.
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Post by rebjay on Oct 11, 2011 10:06:52 GMT
I was at the game against Jesters (as they were then) Don't think i've ever heard as much noise from a set of away fans. The blocks went MENTAL Man, what a night. |
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Post by texpef on Oct 11, 2011 10:35:18 GMT
Wasnt suggesting playing for the full 4.30 mins but until the pp ended or they scored would have been useful at that time in the game...
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Post by Shorty on Oct 11, 2011 10:57:49 GMT
Oh and a foot note steelers beat us in the final with a goal that never should have stood, think it was Vial they were a man down hits weber (i think) behind the play ref obviously didnt want to call another penalty and as they had the puck in our zone unguarded as the man was on the ice prone slots it into the net one on one... once a bunch of cheating gits always... Only one person on the planet could have used this thread to have a go at the Steelers...... |
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Post by texpef on Oct 11, 2011 11:30:19 GMT
Oh i am pretty sure that i am not alone there Shorty but you have to take your chances when they come... |
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Post by kezypanther on Oct 11, 2011 13:19:06 GMT
Seems people had the thoughts as many of us whether it actually works with this discussion on here: hfboards.com/archive/index.php/t-283614.htmlBest post I found, as this had been studied someone (without publishing all the results for copyright purposes) # Morrison, DG and Wheat, RD (1986). Misapplications reviews: Pulling the goalie revisited. Interfaces, 16 (6), November-December, 28-34. Morrison and Wheat use math to determine the optimal time a team should pull the goalie. Assuming two average teams, a squad trailing by a goal should pull the goalie with 2 minutes and 34 seconds left in the game. # Erkut, E (1987). Note: More on Morrison and Wheat's "Pulling the goalie revisited." Interfaces, 17 (5), September-October, 121-123. A follow up to the Morrison and Wheat paper it refines the math based on the assumption that the teams are not average. Conclusion? Coaches are indeed too conservative to wait to the last minute. They should pull the goalie earlier and more often. # Nydick, RL, Jr., and Weiss, HJ (1989). More on Erkut's "More on Morrison and Wheat's 'Pulling the goalie revisited.'" Interfaces, 19 (5), September-October, 45-48. Further follow up and refinement. Same conclusion. Depending on the assumptions, goaltenders should be pulled with anywhere beween 90 seconds and 150 seconds left in the game. Take what from that what you wish. |
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Post by kezypanther on Oct 11, 2011 13:22:48 GMT
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Post by spik on Oct 11, 2011 13:46:05 GMT
When I see cyclists whizzing round at near 100mph I'll give up on thinking Ice-Hockey being fast. A team to me consists of more than a shoddy amalgamation of individual sponsored blokes.It's a set of players on a field of play.Most other 'team' events like F1 etc come from the singular (Car).....others? Athletic teams ,you can go on. ADD...What I am trying to say (in my usual poor way) is that the games of Football, Rugby etc can't be downsized like these other sports are upgraded to teams.  Then again I can concede Bobsleigh and Speed Skating.....  |
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Post by Doughnut on Oct 11, 2011 15:12:56 GMT
When I see cyclists whizzing round at near 100mph I'll give up on thinking Ice-Hockey being fast. A team to me consists of more than a shoddy amalgamation of individual sponsored blokes.It's a set of players on a field of play.Most other 'team' events like F1 etc come from the singular (Car).....others? Athletic teams ,you can go on. ADD...What I am trying to say (in my usual poor way) is that the games of Football, Rugby etc can't be downsized like these other sports are upgraded to teams. Then again I can concede Bobsleigh and Speed Skating..... I'd be impressed to see a hockey player skate at 100mph! I think you're showing a certain level of ignorance when you describe other team sports as a 'shoddy amalgamation of individual sponsored blokes'. If you narrow the criteria for "team sport" enough I guess you could define it so that ice hockey is the fastest. You'd have to be quite specific to exclude bandy though. |
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Post by oldman on Oct 11, 2011 15:55:11 GMT
What the heck is bandy, and saw the title and figured this was a carry on thread!
As for the actual question Pulling the NM is the last throw of the dice, it often doesn't work but heck there is nothing else you can do by then, as someone said the same as sending your keeper up for the corner, often never works but ask a Carlisle fan if it was once a great idea for them?
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